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Fire has secrets that only science can unlock. In this riveting conversation with legendary fire investigator John Lentini, we explore the transformation of fire investigation from subjective interpretation to rigorous science over the past five decades.

Lentini's journey began in 1974 at the Georgia State Crime Laboratory, where a young chemist found his calling in a field few wanted to tackle. His candid reflections reveal how he became drawn to the scientific clarity of fire investigation—something he could confidently explain to juries—and how this decision led him to become one of the field's most influential voices.

The conversation takes a fascinating turn as Lentini describes the groundbreaking 1991 Lime Street fire experiment that fundamentally changed fire investigation. Expecting flashover in 15-20 minutes, investigators were shocked when it occurred in just four minutes. This revelation exposed critical misconceptions about fire patterns that had led to countless wrongful convictions. "It blew my mind," Lentini recalls, describing patterns on the floor that mimicked what investigators wrongly believed indicated arson.

Particularly compelling is Lentini's work helping exonerate 35 people wrongfully convicted of arson. His methodical approach to testing hypotheses and documenting findings stands in stark contrast to older, more subjective methods. When discussing persistent myths, he doesn't hold back: "There are still people that think they can look at a fire pattern and tell what caused it," he notes, explaining why this approach fails after flashover.

For anyone interested in forensic science, Lentini's insights on ventilation effects, documentation practices, and the evolution of standards provide invaluable education. His upcoming book "Twice Burned" promises to share more case studies from his remarkable career—stories that not only changed lives but transformed an entire field.

Listen now to understand why proper fire investigation matters, how science continues to reshape our understanding of fire, and what lessons Lentini's fifty years of experience offer to investigators today. The truth, as it turns out, is in the flames—if you know how to read them correctly.

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What drives someone to dedicate their career to sifting through charred debris and solving the mysteries left behind by destructive fires?

Aaron Markey, founder of Ignite Investigations, invites us into the high-stakes world of fire investigation in Australia—a field where science, intuition, and resilience converge.

Aaron’s journey began unexpectedly during his forensic chemistry studies, when a lab encounter with fire debris sparked a fascination that would ignite a lifelong pursuit. After training under industry veterans and working for established firms, Aaron launched his own investigation company in January 2023. With experience that spans both public and private sectors—including time with the New South Wales Police—he brings a rare, well-rounded perspective to the profession.

In our conversation, Aaron breaks down the delicate balance of technical expertise and real-world problem-solving that defines effective fire investigation. He discusses how he customizes his approach to suit client needs without compromising investigative integrity—and why he’s concerned about the shrinking number of qualified professionals entering the field.

Far from simply identifying ignition points, Aaron views each fire as a complex puzzle. He shares how embracing discomfort and uncertainty is key to success, saying true investigators find “comfort in the struggle.”

We also delve into the future of fire forensics, exploring how emerging technologies like drones and 3D scanning are revolutionizing the way investigators document scenes and present their findings.

Whether you’re an industry veteran or simply intrigued by what happens after the flames die down, Aaron’s passion and insight shed light on why this demanding profession continues to attract those with a burning desire to uncover the truth.

Subscribe now and join us for this fascinating conversation about fire, forensics, and the pursuit of answers in the ashes.

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The journey to becoming a fire investigator rarely follows a straight path, and Erik Mickelson’s story is a testament to that. From experimenting with childhood chemistry kits to joining a volunteer fire company during college, Erik’s dual fascination with fire science and criminal investigation came together perfectly when he noticed a posting for an arson task force forming in his county. Despite feeling he had "no business being there," as he humbly puts it, that chance opportunity launched a remarkable 22-year career—one that continues to evolve today. 

Erik shares his professional journey as a fire marshal and investigator serving multiple jurisdictions across New Jersey. His current roles include positions with Franklin Township Fire Prevention, Bound Brook, and the Somerset County Prosecutor’s Office. His first investigation—a tragic suicide by fire—left a lasting impression and provided the foundation for how he would approach every scene thereafter. The detective sergeant who mentored him embodied qualities Erik would carry forward throughout his career: patience, thoroughness, and the ability to uncover the hidden story within the aftermath of fire. 

When responding to complex, large-scale incidents involving multiple buildings and agencies, Erik offers critical insights that can shape the outcome of an investigation. He emphasizes the importance of forming inter-agency partnerships before disaster strikes, deliberately slowing the investigation process amid scene chaos, utilizing drone technology to gain comprehensive aerial views, and prioritizing the wellbeing of the investigative team. Above all, he champions an ego-free, collaborative environment where open communication enables shared success. 

As our conversation concludes, Erik raises a growing concern about investigator health and safety. With the increasing presence of lithium-ion batteries in devices ranging from cell phones to e-bikes, nearly every fire scene now contains potentially hazardous materials. When these batteries burn, they release toxic gases that pose a serious, often underrecognized threat to investigators’ long-term health. It’s an issue Erik believes deserves far greater attention from the fire investigation community. His advocacy not only advances investigative technique but also ensures those who protect the public aren't sacrificing their own wellbeing in the process. 

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Randy's story begins with a life-changing encounter with the local fire chief, who recognized his potential and guided him into a career that would ignite his passion for uncovering the truth behind the flames. Listen as Randy vividly recalls the pivotal Paris Grill fire, an arson case that cemented his commitment to the field, and learn how he balanced his academic pursuits with his burgeoning career in fire investigation.

Get ready to deepen your understanding of the fire investigation landscape, as we explore the critical roles of organizations like the IAAI and NFPA in shaping industry standards. We unravel the complexities of training new graduates versus seasoned professionals and the importance of mentorship in accelerating their growth. 

Together with Randy, we highlight significant documents such as NFPA 1033, 921, and the newly introduced 1321, breaking down how these standards and guides differentiate between mandatory requirements and recommendations, paving the way for a more structured and science-driven profession.

Witness the evolution and controversies within the fire investigation community as Randy sheds light on the shift from subjective methods to evidence-based approaches that have revolutionized the field over the past three decades. 

We tackle the challenges of fire cause classification and the role of global organizations like NAFI and IAAI in providing essential training. Plus, gain insights into the contrasting structures of these organizations and their impact on fire investigators worldwide, as Randy shares his expertise in developing and mentoring the next generation of forensic experts.

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Explore the captivating world of 3D modeling in fire investigation with our special guest, Eugene Liscio, whose fascinating journey from aerospace engineering to forensics is nothing short of inspiring. 

Eugene’s career trajectory is a testament to the power of passion and curiosity. From his early days at McDonnell Douglas, later acquired by Boeing, Eugene's thirst for knowledge propelled him across the globe and ultimately led him to harness his 3D modeling skills in the forensic field. Throughout our conversation, Eugene reveals how his engineering background laid the foundation for his innovative approach to forensic technology, highlighting the profound impact of visual communication in complex scenarios.

Join us as Eugene demystifies the evolution of 3D forensics technology, sharing insights into the transformation from simple animations to robust crime scene reconstructions. We dive into the development of Recon 3D, a groundbreaking iPhone app leveraging LiDAR technology, making high-quality 3D scanning accessible and affordable for investigators. Eugene provides a comparative analysis between traditional laser scanners and mobile applications, showcasing how these innovations empower investigators, especially those operating under tight budgets, to gather crucial spatial data.

As we look to the future, Eugene offers a glimpse into the potential of emerging technologies like virtual reality and 3D printing in legal contexts. 

Discover how tools like Vision 3D are set to revolutionize evidence presentation, integrating various media sources into comprehensive 3D models for courtroom use. This episode promises a thought-provoking discussion on the convergence of engineering, technology, and forensics, offering listeners invaluable insights into the cutting-edge advancements shaping the industry today.

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Dive into the complex and often overlooked topic of suicide by self-immolation and suicides as James discusses his research and findings from the West Midlands Fire Service and his M.Sc.  

Exploring patterns and potential indicators, James provides a data-driven analysis aimed at assisting fire investigators and coroners. 

This episode also sheds light on the importance of controlled burns in professional development and the invaluable lessons they provide in understanding fire behavior. Join us for a comprehensive exploration of the diverse facets of fire investigation and the continuous pursuit of knowledge in this critical field.

James shares how his relentless pursuit of knowledge and passion for the field has made him a respected figure in fire investigation, highlighting the essential role of mentorship and continuous learning.

James offers firsthand insights into how collaboration and the sharing of effective practices across sectors can enhance investigative outcomes, emphasizing the importance of interdisciplinary skills, especially when it comes to combining forensic investigation and electrical expertise.

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Claire Mansi, brings her remarkable experiences to the forefront. 

From her early days with the Fire Victim Support Unit in East Sussex to becoming a pivotal member of the London Fire Brigade's arson task force, Claire has seen it all.

In this episode, Claire unveils her innovative SAFE Project, aimed at transforming young offenders' views on the deadly consequences of arson. Despite setbacks like the disbandment of her task force, Claire's impact on youth and communities continues to challenge and inspire. 

We broaden the discussion, exploring the international realm of fire investigation and the dynamic growth of organizations like the UK Association of Fire Investigators and the International Association of Arson Investigators. 

With personal stories and reflections, this episode highlights the evolution of gender dynamics within the field, showcasing how women are reshaping fire investigation with their keen attention to detail and collaborative spirit. 

Celebrate the strides towards diversity and inclusivity, as we advocate for a more equitable professional environment for future generations, including Claire's own daughter. This episode is a tribute to the transformative changes in the field, as diverse voices and international participation lead the way to a more inclusive future.

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Uncover the secrets behind fire investigations and gain invaluable insights from industry experts on this bi-weekly episode of CSI on Fire.

We’re thrilled to bring you exciting updates on upcoming fire investigation conferences in Ireland and New South Wales. Plus, we've got a special shout-out to Scott and Chastity’s InFocus Fire Investigation podcast.

Ready to learn the ins and outs of solar panel fire investigations? We take a deep dive into the world of photovoltaic (PV) systems, highlighting critical safety concerns and common pitfalls like poor electrical workmanship and incorrect switch ratings.

Listen as we break down real-world examples, including a significant incident at a hospital, to emphasize the importance of understanding and managing PV systems in fire response and investigation. We also cover the complexities of investigating PV system fires, stressing the importance of assuming all panels and cables are energized until confirmed otherwise, and the invaluable data smart PV systems can provide.

 We also discuss the significance of Continuous Professional Development (CPD) and the rigorous standards for fire investigation training. Plus, get a sneak peek into the upcoming UKFI conferences and how they play a crucial role in ongoing education for fire investigators.

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What drives someone to set fires, and how can patterns of arson be detected? Join us in this gripping episode of CSI on Fire as we sit down with Ed Nordskog, a retired arson investigator who served 34 remarkable years with the Los Angeles Sheriff Department. From his early days as a bomb technician trained by the British Army Bomb Squad to becoming an expert in arson investigation, Ed has handled over 2,100 fire investigations, including more than 60 serial arson cases. His insights into the meticulous process of uncovering patterns in fire-related crimes will leave you with a newfound respect for the painstaking work behind the scenes.

Ed takes us on an enlightening journey through the advanced training and certification essential for fire investigators. Imagine being a rookie, paired with seasoned officers, and gaining hands-on experience at numerous fire scenes. Ed recounts his unique training experiences, including time spent at the National Fire Academy and participating in forensic fire death schools where realistic crime scenarios involving cadavers are recreated. This chapter underscores the critical role of rigorous training and multidisciplinary collaboration in elevating the standards of fire death investigations.

In the final segments, we explore the broader challenges and nuances in the world of fire investigation. Ed shares his thoughts on the limitations of psychological profiling in arson cases and the vital importance of science-based investigative psychology. He also touches on the complexities of civil versus criminal fire investigations and the prevalence of incendiary devices like Molotov cocktails. Finally, Ed delves into the economic impact of wildland arson and the emerging financial opportunities in this field due to climate change. With a wealth of knowledge and captivating anecdotes, this episode promises to be both educational and enthralling.

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What does it take, to transition from a Thames Valley Police Crime Scene Investigator to a Full time Fire investigator with Essex Fire and Rescue Service? 

Jessica offers an illuminating comparison between the police force and the fire service, highlighting the differences in workplace culture, rank systems, and public interactions. Learn about the supportive, collaborative environment within the fire service, and the importance of cross-departmental knowledge sharing and continuous professional development. This episode also reveals how fire service training methodologies and welfare provisions at major scenes contribute to a more welcoming atmosphere and better public perception.

Jessica's path is a compelling narrative of perseverance, strategic career moves, and the pivotal moments that sparked her interest in fire investigation, including a university lecture and a memorable container burn demonstration.


We further explore the intricate details of fire investigation accreditation and the role of autonomy in handling cases from start to finish. 

Jessica discusses the challenges and rewarding aspects of getting ISO accreditation for fire services and the benefits of leveraging university partnerships for professional growth. Ideal for anyone passionate about fire investigation, this episode provides rich insights into the pathways and opportunities within this fascinating field, underscored by Jessica's personal experiences and aspirations for expanding her team.

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