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What does it take, to transition from a Thames Valley Police Crime Scene Investigator to a Full time Fire investigator with Essex Fire and Rescue Service? 

Jessica offers an illuminating comparison between the police force and the fire service, highlighting the differences in workplace culture, rank systems, and public interactions. Learn about the supportive, collaborative environment within the fire service, and the importance of cross-departmental knowledge sharing and continuous professional development. This episode also reveals how fire service training methodologies and welfare provisions at major scenes contribute to a more welcoming atmosphere and better public perception.

Jessica's path is a compelling narrative of perseverance, strategic career moves, and the pivotal moments that sparked her interest in fire investigation, including a university lecture and a memorable container burn demonstration.


We further explore the intricate details of fire investigation accreditation and the role of autonomy in handling cases from start to finish. 

Jessica discusses the challenges and rewarding aspects of getting ISO accreditation for fire services and the benefits of leveraging university partnerships for professional growth. Ideal for anyone passionate about fire investigation, this episode provides rich insights into the pathways and opportunities within this fascinating field, underscored by Jessica's personal experiences and aspirations for expanding her team.

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What if you discovered that children often sleep through standard smoke alarms? This unsettling fact is just one of the many revelations in our latest episode of CSI on Fire and has implications in your Fire Investigations. 

We sit down with Dave Coss, a decorated fire investigator and canine handler, to uncover the critical role of fire investigation dogs in identifying ignitable liquids at fire scenes. 
From petrol to ethanol, these dogs are indispensable in forensic investigations, and Dave shares his captivating journey from the army to the banking sector, and finally to the Derbyshire Fire and Rescue Service.

Through professional  anecdotes, Dave illustrates the practical challenges and triumphs of working with these remarkable dogs, making this episode a must-listen for anyone interested in the intricacies of fire investigation.

Our conversation then touches on the crucial need for parents to wake their children during a fire due to the ineffectiveness of smoke alarms. 

We highlight the operational details of specialized fire investigation teams and the collaborative efforts across regions to enhance fire safety measures. 

Don’t miss Dave’s inspiring story of receiving a prestigious award from the Queen, underscoring the invaluable contributions of canine teams to fire investigations. Turn in and turn up for a compelling discussion that shines a light on the often-overlooked professionals of fire safety.

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Have you ever wondered how a failed attempt at medical school could lead to a thrilling career in fire investigation and becoming one of the most well know FI in the UK? 

Join us on CSI on Fire as we sit down with Steve Andrews, whose unexpected journey took him from studying zoology and psychology to earning a master's degree in bioaeronautics. 
Steve's passion for high-risk outdoor activities and a pivotal project on aircraft fire safety steered him into the fascinating world of fire research and investigation. 

In this episode, Steve shares his remarkable experiences, from working with the European Space Agency on fire experiments in microgravity to conducting large-scale fire and explosion tests that police budgets couldn't cover. 

He also recounts his time with the Forensic Science Service, exploring the intricate science behind fire and collision investigations. Steve's narrative is packed with hands-on experiences, including petrol bomb experiments and room fires, revealing the critical role of practical, on-the-ground work in shaping a robust body of knowledge in fire investigation.

You'll also hear about the evolution of fire investigation education and research, particularly following the closure of the Forensic Science Service. 

Steve discusses his involvement in establishing a master's degree in fire investigation at UCLan and the importance of publishing research to advance the field. From the cultural hesitance in the UK to share detailed forensic findings publicly to the powerful impact of visual evidence in court, this episode underscores the ongoing challenges and advancements in the ever-evolving landscape of fire investigation. 

Don't miss this captivating conversation with a true expert in the field.

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"Ive never had a bad experience in Ireland" is a fact I hold true as I talk with Eoin Dempsey, of Garda Síochána fire investigation specialist.  

Join us for an enthralling episode of CSI on Fire as we sit down with Eoin Dempsey, a seasoned sergeant from Garda Síochána, who has dedicated his life to unraveling mysteries, from homicides to intricate fire investigations. 

In our discussion, Eoin opens up about his active role in the Fire Investigation Association of Ireland (FIAI), a unique cross-border organization that unites fire services, forensic scientists, and police from both the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland. 

Having joined the FIAI in 2009 and becoming a key committee member in 2019, Eoin shares his insights on the collaborative nature of the association and its annual training conferences, which serve as melting pots of knowledge and innovation. 

We delve into some of Eoins most memorable cases, especially those involving fatalities and complex murder investigations, showcasing the profound impact of thorough communication and meticulous evidence gathering.

Through captivating anecdotes, we explore the rigorous training and education process for Irish police officers, shedding light on how continuous learning and experienced mentors have been pivotal to his success. 

We wrap up with an invitation to engage with the Fire Investigation Association of Ireland and join their upcoming events and webinars, which promise valuable insights and networking opportunities.

 Tune in for a riveting episode packed with expert knowledge, personal stories, and a warm invitation to be part of our investigative community.

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Unlock the secrets of fire investigation and fire science with our expert guest, Rory Hadden from Edinburgh University. 

Rory takes us through his captivating career as a reader at the School of Engineering, sharing insights into his cutting-edge research and the renowned fire engineering group at Edinburgh.

Discover the vital mechanisms of heat transfer—conduction, convection, and radiation—that are crucial for interpreting fire scenes and understanding fire dynamics. 

Rory uses compelling examples, such as the heating of a sprinkler bulb and compartment fire flashover, to illustrate these concepts. 

You'll learn why mastering these mechanisms is essential for effective fire investigation and communication of fire dynamics, making complex scenarios easier to decipher.

 You'll hear about the influential figures in the field, like Dougal Drysdale, and gain an understanding of the University's esteemed fire investigation course that promises significant credentials and membership opportunities with the Institute of Fire Engineers.

Grasp the pivotal role of oxygen in fire behavior and the importance of stoichiometric mixtures in combustion processes. Rory explains how varying oxygen concentrations can drastically alter flame behaviors and temperatures, and discusses the implications of flammability limits and ignition in real-world scenarios. 

We’ll also explore the multifaceted realm of fire science education, highlighting the need for a solid foundation in chemistry, heat transfer, and fluid mechanics. 

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Ever wondered what it takes to become a leading expert in vehicle fire investigations? 

Join us as we sit down with Bob McKay, a seasoned fire investigator from Australia with over 43 years of experience, to uncover the fascinating journey from being a factual insurance investigator to establishing McKay Forensic Investigations. 

Learn how a critical case involving a flawed expert opinion on a heavy vehicle fire led Bob to seek formal training and carve out a niche in investigating everything from road cars to heavy mining equipment. This episode promises a deep dive into the meticulous techniques used to unravel the mysteries behind vehicle fires.

We'll also shed light on the complexities of electric vehicle fires and the growing concerns around them. Discover the potential causes of vehicle fires, be it from electrical system failures, fuel delivery malfunctions, or mechanical issues. 

Bob shares his firsthand experiences with EV fire investigations, including a notable e-truck fire in Melbourne, and discusses the media's role in amplifying the hysteria around these incidents. 

From addressing the problems with e-scooters and e-bikes to the political landscape surrounding electric vehicles, this episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in the nuanced world of vehicle fire investigations.

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Ready to unlock the secrets of effective fire scene investigation? 

Discover the hidden gems of fire investigation and specialized training in our milestone 20th episode of the CSI on Fire Podcast, where we bring you unparalleled insights from industry experts. 

With special guest Emma Wilson from Prometheus Forensic Services, we promise an episode brimming with captivating narratives and professional growth opportunities. 

From her intriguing career shift from medical biochemistry to fire investigation, Emma’s wealth of experience will inspire and educate you.

Step into the world of specialized CSI training courses designed to fine-tune your skills in handling fire scenes. 

Hear about immersive exercises like boil-overs and petrol bomb scenarios that not only equip you with practical knowledge but also debunk the myth that fire obliterates all evidence. 

Learn about the crucial procedures for preserving the scene of a fire fatality and the details that can reveal the victim's last moments. This episode provides a comprehensive guide on the importance of context in fire investigations, including the role of clothing materials in flash burns and how to distinguish genuine fire damage from other causes.

Dive into the complexities of forensic reviews, cognitive biases, and the legal safeguards that ensure justice is accurately served. Gain valuable insights on the evolving landscape of forensic services from Emma, including the benefits and challenges posed by privatization. This episode encapsulates two decades of expertise, making it an essential listen for anyone dedicated to the field of fire investigation.

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Ever wondered what it's like to dissect the aftermath of a fire and uncover the truth hidden in the ashes? Join us as we sit down with David Schudel from Keith Borer Associates, a seasoned forensic scientist with a rich background in both the UK and US judicial systems. 

How do cognitive biases shape the outcome of criminal investigations? In our conversation, David and I dissect this critical issue, using a compelling case study involving a misidentified arson to illustrate the profound impact of initial biases.

 Learn about his diverse experiences, from consulting on criminal defense and civil cases to setting up forensic labs in the Cayman Islands. His unique perspective, having worked on both sides of the courtroom, offers an unparalleled look into the complexities of forensic investigations.

Discover the importance of re-evaluating evidence with fresh eyes and the necessity for investigators to remain open-minded when new information challenges initial conclusions. This episode serves as a sobering reminder of the need for vigilance and objectivity in ensuring justice is served.

We also dive into the essential but often overlooked topic of quality assurance in fire investigations. David shares insights on the challenges faced by smaller forensic companies in maintaining rigorous standards and the importance of effective peer review to prevent miscarriages of justice. From the intricacies of forensic science codes and ISO standards to the practical issues of evidence disclosure, we explore how transparency and efficiency in sharing digital evidence can make or break a case. Tune in for a comprehensive exploration of the multi-faceted world of fire investigation and forensic science, guaranteed to leave you with a deeper appreciation of the field's complexities and responsibilities.

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Unlock the mysteries of fire investigation with Ken Roberts, a veteran fire investigator and forensic electrical engineer, whose journey took him from the Royal Navy to examining fire scenes. 

Discover his pioneering techniques in identifying electrical faults, especially within household appliances like tumble dryers. Gain valuable insights on how Ken collaborates with manufacturers to uncover the root causes of fires, and learn why his multidisciplinary approach is essential for accurate fire scene interpretation.

Explore the unique advantages of a naval background in the private sector, as Ken shares how discipline and creativity shaped his investigative prowess. 

Understand the importance of effectively communicating complex technical details to clients, and enjoy anecdotes about the camaraderie and collaborative spirit among fire investigators. Ken emphasizes the significance of networking and appreciating the diverse experiences within the industry, highlighting the benefits of continual learning and relationship-building.

Ken's adventurous cycling journey around the globe provides a thrilling backdrop to his professional insights. 

From navigating the Gobi Desert to experiencing the hospitality of strangers, his travels offer a fresh perspective on resilience and curiosity. This episode is a treasure trove of wisdom for anyone exploring a career in fire investigation, underscoring the importance of intellectual curiosity, hands-on training, and maintaining an open mind in the quest for truth.

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From the heat of frontline firefighting to the meticulous scrutiny of fire investigation, Mike Wisekal of Jensen Hughes takes us on an enthralling journey through his career metamorphosis.
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Mike Wisekal: Technical Director + Senior Investigator | Jensen Hughes

Navigating the specialized realm of marine investigation, this episode unfurls the layers of complexity that come with shipboard fire incidents. Here, the International Safety Management (ISM) Code isn't just a set of guidelines; it's the blueprint for survival at sea and fire prevention. 
We peel back the curtain to reveal how a ship's Safety Management System (SMS) is the linchpin in emergency preparedness, and why crew training and safety equipment can't be anything less than shipshape. 

We recount our first professional encounter when Mike and I met on a large loss in Northern Ireland, and the support and camaraderie he gave me at that early point in my private sector career in a very different FI world compared to public sector. 
Mikes story isn't just about shifting from public service to private sector expertise; it's a homage to the mentors who ignited his passion and a look into the rigorous world of fire investigation—proving that the quest for knowledge is as relentless as the fires he once fought.

We probe the dangers lurking in incorrectly labeled containers and the fiery consequences that can follow. 

We discuss the UK AFI, CFI and FIT support scheme, proposed and initiated by Mike  lighting the way for professional development in the fire service industry. 

As we wrap up, we consider the pivotal role that legal expertise plays when fire forensics experts step into the courtroom—a testimony to the fact that the truth of the evidence must be as compellingly presented as it is carefully uncovered, in an unbiased and professional manner recognizing the duty of fire investigators to the Courts and not to clients. 

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