Curious Creatures

Curious Creatures

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Curious Creatures episodes

  • Celeste Bell Pt. 2: The Do-It-Yourself World of X-Ray Spex

    Exploding Suburban Myths

    Feminism, Formica and Friends 

    Watch the curtains twitch for a brand-new switch

    Another music from a different day-glo kitchen

    Myriad, misogynistic, moustachioed men


    GermFree Adolescents! 

    Poly’s lyrics reach out across time 

    Don’t touch me please I can’t take the wants and needs!

    Poly sings Love songs and laments for the voiceless ones


    New Yorks a-Go-go!

    A formative experience for Poly and the boys

    Two gigs a night made a mind changing noise

    X-Ray Spex were the first punks to play the USA

    CBGBs crowd a million times ruder than Erics in their day

     

    Exhaustion and Tears in The Whiskey a-Go-go!

    It wasn’t that Poly had to catch up with the World

    ‘Twas the World had to catch up with Poly.

    Big Paul’s drumming was Big and complete

    Poly often sang acapella to the beat


    High Energy Rock & Roll!

    Poly also sang each instrument’s part

    And produced the Music and created the Art

    50’s Do-Wop n’ Blues had an influential hand

    In Poly’s creative use of the band


    Poly’s Passions!

    Punk’s DIY Ethic was a necessary tool

    Finance was fickle and Poly was no fool

    Necessity was always the Mother of Invention


    Poly’s Grandmother Understood!

    She was never going to be a doctor - but if she’d wanted to she could

    She was Always going to be a creator - and so often misunderstood


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    Respect: Poly Styrene (Marianne Joan Elliott-Said: 3 July 1957 – 25 April 2011) 

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    29 min
  • Celeste Bell Pt. 1: The Eccentricity of Everyday People’

    The Day The World Turned Day-Glo 

    Celeste made a Film about her Mum Poly Styrene

    Six years in the Making ‘Twas A Labour of Love

    Clearing Permissions like Pulling Hen’s Teeth

    We Share the Frustration, the Push and the Shove


    GermFree Adolescents! 

    Poly Adored Señor Salvador Dali

    His Port Lligat studio a Pilgrimage Place

    Young Lol’s French Girlfriend paraded her cat 

    A cat on a lead with a smile on it’s face


    I Am a Cliché!

    Valuable Time Made a Difference 

    Personal Real and True 

    Honest and Believable Felt Real to Lol

    Honesty Helped Celeste find Her Way 

     

    Age!

    Poly, Lol and Budgie – 1950’s Varieties

    Hold valuable insight of Era and Times 

    Of Austere 70’s and all Notorieties

    Goths on The Tube and Tory Crimes 


    Identity!

    Courting Controversy and Cancel Culture

    An Early Adopter of Media and Tech 

    Poly’s X-Ray Spex gave the Pop world a Rupture

    X-Ray Spex caused a Pain in the Neck


    I Am a Poseur!

    The DIY Spirit of Punk for Celeste 

    Independent Rebellious Thinking 

    To a Conformist Era nothing more than a Pest

    Punk Self Expression was Sinking 


    Oh Bondage Up Yours!

    British Journalism made Personal Attacks

    Made Her Life a Difficult Role

    It wasn’t Cool to be Polite to the Hacks 

    Poly was a Sensitive Soul 


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    Respect: Poly Styrene (Marianne Joan Elliott-Said: 3 July 1957 – 25 April 2011) 

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    34 min
  • Pt. 2: Bethany Cosentino Just Says Fuck It

    Who’s That Girl?

    Concentric Circles and Avoiding Repetition

    When The World Shutdown 

    The Questioning Began

    Bethany had a Life Changing Awakening


    On-Screen-Only Relationships!

    Ice-Cold Bitch and Her July Jacket

    Bethany has some Secret Tea to Spill!

    Be Whatever You Want to Be!

    What’s Through Your Keyhole?

     

    Balancing Real Relationships! 

    Space, Space, Space, and More Space!

    Professional Relationships – The Little Things become Mountains

    How Often do You Change your Socks?

    We Are Family – a Mental Family!


    Re-Inventing the Wheel!

    Exciting to Rethink the Live Experience

    Arpeggios and Jingle Jangle

    The Big Scream is The Point 

    Bethany Thinks on her Toes!


    What’s On Your Mind?

    Talking to The Fearful Voice

    Letting Go of The Extremes

    Nothing to be Done and Everything will be Done

    It’s All so Simple – Just Let Go!

    And The Sound of Wedding Bells!!


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    Respect: Donald Buchla (April 17, 1937 – September 14, 2016)

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    32 min
  • Bethany Cosentino Pt. 1: There’s a Million Freaks on the Streets of Los Angeles’

    How Much do you Do in Your car?

    Bethany lives in Her car - Bethany Loves LA!

    Lol loves LA too – LA has always looked after him

    Budgie thinks LA must love him too

    LA Keeps Calling him Back!


    Rent-A-Wreck!

    Budgie rents his first car in LA!

    Pick ‘n Mix of Environments

    Lol wants a Bolt Hole in the Desert 

    Music was In the Stars for Bethany as a Young Punk!

     

    Bob The Dude Around Town! 

    Catching up with The Thing!

    Gathering The Best Coast Buzz

    Digging Down beneath the Dark Underbelly of LA

    Among The Ghosts of Creative Legacies


    Becoming The Band until we Disappear!

    Bethany and All the External Noise

    Reclaiming Bethany – Bringing back, ‘Shame on You!’

    Scary to Put Yourself Out There!

    99% is positive - 1% negative is a killer!


    The Vulnerable Desires! 

    Bethany lets her old Character Go

    Bethany Creates a Cocoon to Create

    Anticipation and Expectation? 

    Bethany is Doing it For Herself!


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    Respect: Jim Morrison (December 8, 1943 – July 3, 1971)

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    37 min
  • Jacknife Lee Pt. 3: The Transformation of Horror to Beauty

    Can AI make a Hit Record?

    Drummers talk about anything but Drumming

    Two of the Singers on Los Angeles are Drummers

    All we got to do is Act Naturally

    Things the Industry didn’t Understand

    Will new Technology Change Music Appreciation? 


    More Means More!

    We love and Embrace Computers

    We love and Embrace Individuality

    We love and Embrace Cohesive Collaboration 

    Now Cue the Music!

     

    Good Food and A Donut! 

    Jacknife describes his Daily Process 

    Everybody’s a Drummer – The International Conversation

    What’s Going On with Shoes and Feet?!

    Is my One the same as Your One?


    Robert Dresses Below the Waist

    Do we ever look at the Back of our Head?

    Who do you trust to Dress You?

    Jacknife Never looks at Himself

    We must Think in 3D!


    We Got to Move! 

    Isaac Brock sings at 7mph

    Jacknife Runs along in Time 

    Lol spins for more than 30 minutes

    Budgie cycles the whole of Berlin (almost!)

    All because we Listen to Los Angeles!!


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    Respect: William MacArthur ‘Billy’ Mackenzie (27 March 1957 – 22 January 1997) 

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    23 min
  • Jacknife Lee Pt. 2: Keeping 1000 Lights on for All

    Neil Diamond put Stones in Jacknife’s shoes 

    Musicians with No Stations - Anyone can do Anything

    Jacknife loves The Cure and The Banshees and Drums

    (We’re off to a Good Start!)

    Artists willing to Alienate - to do what they want!


    The Gender Change Box – Expanding the Arsenal!

    Documenting Discovery – Being a Band - Not a Brand 

    The Cure’s 1st album was their live setlist

    On 17 Seconds they swapped instruments - No set formula 

    Discussion is healthy but Discussion takes time!

     

    Vocalists are Tricky! 

    Musicians as Tightrope walkers – Without Safety nets 

    Risks can be Creative but not for Careers!

    Good bands fight to Discover – Take something small and Enlarge!

    Robert Smith focussed everyone by saying, ‘this will be the Last Time.’


    Fragility / Self-hatred / Being weird 

    Pornography almost killed The Cure but reanimated them.

    Club Smith or Club Tolhurst, had Simon Gallup singing Kate Bush


    Doing It Like the First Time! 

    Our New album - Fresh and Exciting!

    Guest vocalists working Outside comfort Zones

    Bobby Gillespie and James Murphy at Home - Arrow in Topanga 

    New bands are mostly missing the drummer’s personality

    (We’re off to a Good End!)


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    Respect: Jane Birkin (December 1946 – July 2023)

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    32 min
  • Jacknife Lee Pt. 1: The Stroke of True Genius

    Jacknife never remembers the big moments. 

    Q. Why are we so busy? A. We have an album coming out!

    Blatant Plug: Los Angeles: The Album: November 3rd!


    Jacknife enjoys teams but was never a joiner 

    Overcome by FOMO - The pandemic begat TIME!

    Two Drummers and a Producer - Two Turntables and a Microphone 

    Budgie met Jacknife in Berlin on Bono’s no expense spared book tour 

    Lol toured his book in South America to Arequipa in Peru.


    Q. Does Bono do impersonations? A. Yes, a very dark Rupert Murdoch

    Robert impersonated Lol and Lol did a great Robert 

    Everyone close to Robert, became Robert!

    Q. Affectation or affection for Siouxsie in the Banshees? A.????


    Young Bob reinvented Regal zone on ‘So It Goes’

    Bon mots take hold on the road 

    An unusual dynamic - being together all the time 

    Understanding people and personalities 

    Us against the world – All for One and One for All!


    Parts of the world Lol liked and the Jilted teenage girlfriend

    As you get older, you better understand your ego 

    Getting over the caricatures - writing the story 

    making peace with life - preventing strange characters taking over 

    Q. The Real Stroke of Genius? – A. Begin Today with a Clean Slate! 

    The Job of the Musician is to Discover – Anon.

     

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    Respect: Sinéad O’Connor (December 1966 – July 2023)

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    33 min
  • Wayne Hussey Pt. 2: Panic In Detroit!

    Let me in - I’m in the band! 

    It goes like this: 

    Lol - Newcastle Holiday Inn – Sauna – Towel – Door – Fire Escape – Reception – Room-Key! 

    Wayne - Bristol - Liverpool - Leeds – London – California – Brazil – Love - 20 Years! 

    Lol – California – Home - 30 Years Ago - Home is Where the Ticker Tocks .


    The Circus was Excitement when we Moved from where we Started 

    In a band it’s simpler to do what we do and Live anywhere

     

    Alan Vega a lonely man and a stranger in a strange land 

    Budgie ran a Berlin Red Light and received a Berlin mouthful

    Lol feels more American than Americans 

    Lean American knowledge – makes Lol a man without a history or memory 


    Quiet riot and Slade’s Unique spelling 

    Lol saw Ringo Starr play in LA. 

    Edgar Winter looks how Lol’s God looks! 

    Budgie and the Glitter Band Beats 

    First Money from music - Go buy a Studio 


    T.Rex - Electric Warrior was THE album for Lol, Wayne and Budgie 

    A copy of Electric Warrior said, ‘We’re definitely friends!’

    Lol had a delusion of Mikey Finn Stardom 

    I’m a Howling Wolf said Marc Bolan 

    lots of love says, Wayne x


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    Respect: Mickey Finn (3 June 1947 – 11 January 2003) 

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    22 min
  • Wayne Hussey Pt. 1: Mr Pussy and the Murdered Melon mystery?

    Budgie plays his Big Bass Harp

    The Cult and Subbuteo keep everyone Sharp

    Introducing a Liverpool theme

    You’ll Never Walk Alone, now choose your team!

     

    Lol delivered Newspapers for 25 Bob

    Delivering milk was Wayne’s other Job

    The Beeb Top 40 on Sundays recorded

    5 Pounds a week a new album afforded 


    David K Jones had a Brian Connolly haircut

    Young Budgie’s Skinhead made the Headmaster Tut!

    Banshees and Cure played soccer together 

    The Cure played the crew but it made Heavy weather!

    Wayne played for Charity and Drew with the Frankies 

    Nasher the Smasher drew Coronation Street hankies!


    Wayne and Budgie played in a band 

    It lasted two days and then they were canned

    Wayne with Pete Burns in Dead or Alive

    Built like a builder - Pete tolerated no Jive


    ‘Gimme Dat Harp Boy’


    Budgie blows the Whistle Test intro

    Wayne and Lol speechless, ‘He plays like a Pro!’

    Lol first met Wayne in the 80’s euphoria 

    saw the Mission play a blinder at London’s Astoria 

    And on into the sunrise of a new friendship’s Gloria!


    Whispering Bob Harris and Annie Nightingale hosting 

    Morning already? Imaginary boys toasting 

    Sugarcubes’ Einar and Bob had a Ruckus?

    The Zillow in Germany was it playful then serious?

    Wayne once lived in the Columbia Hotel

    Budgie stayed at One Queensway for a similar spell


    Wayne’s Solo book tour - music and reading 

    Lol toured Chuck Berry style with local Cure-heads leading

    Chile, and Peru where the Cure’s pick-up glistens 

    Pornography is one of Wayne’s favourite listens


    Albie Singer was Wayne’s hotel pseudonym 

    Budgie was Chad Valley and Lol, Mr Lazlo 

    When Wayne asked reception, Hey what room am I in?

    The room for Mr Pussy must be Wayne’s alter-Ego

    Turned out Mr Pussy was the room Johnny Lydon was in!


    ‘Delusions of Grandeur’

     

    Lol spends 4 months at the Beverly Hills 4 Seasons 

    Wayne drives around strange places on tour in New Zealand 

    Onwards to Moscow or was it Rio or Bangkok? 

    Lol used a matchbox to find his hotel 

    Budgie did too but which matchbox is it?

    It’s Spinal Tap again! 


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    Respect: Captain Beefheart - (Don Van Vliet: January 15, 1941 - December 17, 2010)

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    34 min
  • Fat Mike Pt. 2: New Drumheads, Boiled Strings and Burgundy Velvet Panties!

    Like Indian musicians, we tuned together 

    Stroboscopic Tuners, revealed that we never

    Played a gig in Concert pitch - whatever.


    New drumheads were stolen 

    Boiled bass strings saved money

    Pitch Pipes were our first harmonicas


    Riding White Swans 

    We were Kids of the Revolution 

    Thank the gods for glam and David Bowie

     

    The Sweet at the I-Beam and their 3-part harmonies 

    Deep Purple and The Beach Boys combined

    That a good catchy song makes a band worth it’s char-monies.

    Took NOFX a decade to find 


    Buddy Holly died the day that Lol was born 

    Lol became Big Bopper a natural showstopper

    Busby Berkeley twirled, and Budgie sought ‘em!

    Beatles for Sale and Budgie bought ‘em!


    The Captain was Awesome in the Village of The Damned

    Lol and Mikey D said, ‘Should we call on Rat’s Mum?’ 

    NOFX had 10 years of peace until Covid 

    Mike had No music as a kid 


    No smoking behind the bike sheds

    No Drugs, no Pot, no Meth heads 

    Outsiders for life – it’s a Gas!

     

    Mike? Still a punk at his High-School reunion? 

    Retirement? - No way! 

    Mike is living the dream again!


    Lol’s American Passport - Berlin black shirt and round glasses - Beatles in Hamburg 

    10,000 hours - 16 chords - Ringo’s Drumstick - Mike Loves 8 times 

    Oasis plagiarism - Sleaford Modism - Burgundy Velvet Underwear!!!!! 

    Lol went to Nashville - gave Johnny Cash a No-no 

    Fishbowl studio tour guides, Flea and Fred a Go-go 

     

    What a Lovely Fellow Mike is!


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    Respect: Buddy Holly (September 7th, 1936 – February 3rd, 1959)

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    Curious Creatures is a partner of the Double Elvis podcast network. For more of the best music storytelling follow @DoubleElvis on Instagram or search Double Elvis in your podcast app.

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    25 min

About Curious Creatures

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Hosts Lol Tolhurst (The Cure) and Budgie (Siouxsie and the Banshees) explore post punk's enduring legacy and contemporary relevance. Lol and Budgie welcome luminaries from all walks of life for…

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