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Early Prophets of Dark Deviant Magic & Voodoo 
(Siouxsie sings about sick serial killers and surveillance cameras.)

Lol introduces:
Nightshift as John McGeoch’s Finest hour.
Its Shimmering Tension - a Simmering Sizzling Juggernaut. 
If Budgie was forced to choose, Nightshift would be his finest hour too!

Lol says,
“Budgie reintroduced the ride cymbal back into the lexicon of drumming, without that ride cymbal it would be nothing! A sinister sexy cauldron swirling around.”
Budgie blushes and shares his admiration for Animal and Louis Bellson!

Budgie tells of,
The Banshees visiting The Cure recording Pornography at RAK London. 
The Cure kept a well-stocked bar for visiting minstrels and wastrels!
You’ll always find Drummers in the Kitchen at Parties.

Lol and Budgie say,
Juju and Pornography go together like a Cloak and Dagger.
Both recorded live in a big studio with no separation.
Juju songs played live before recording, just like a new band. 

John McGeoch said,
It’s more Hitchcock than Hammer Horror. 
More Blood dripping on a Daisy, than Fangs biting flesh.

Into The Light
John McGeoch used a gizmo with cog wheels to bow his guitar. 
Budgie develops Octopus limbs.

Lol says,
Bands after the Banshees didn’t have that tension. The drop and the twist is all. 
The push and pull gives the songs their strength. Juju is the sound of a band with a Coherent Narrative - they knew what they wanted. This version of The Banshees IS The Banshees. They Look and Sound like a real band with Authentic Chemistry.

Budgie says, 
Every day arriving to record at Surrey Sound Studios, felt like a sunny morning! 

Lol sums it Up,
To appreciate the lyrics, we don’t need to know all the details. 
Like a movie, the Best albums reflect the times and the Cultural Situation. 
Juju was ahead of its time.

Dedicated to: Louie Bellson (6 July 1924 – 14 February 2009)

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And how it was that….
Lol didn’t revere HIM until Low.
How HE was L’Homme Existential with the Hennaed hair .
Budgie remembers HIM making the duffel coat cool. 
HIS music and lyrics.
HIS harmonica on Low returns on Blackstar.

‘What In The World’…
Briny Eggs Wrapped in Offal downed with Halves of Beer down the pub!
(To be said very fast after drinking a yard of ale)

‘Sound’…
the Glam drummer from the Spiders and Woody Woodmansey’s U-Boat 
Panic in Detroit and Rebel Rebel, Sowing the Seeds of Punk.  
Glam rock it wasn’t just the Visuals 

‘and Vision’…
Budgie is reading Paul Morley’s Bible - The Age of Bowie.
1977 Bowie appears on Marc Bolan’s TV show. Bolan is still in Glam rags - HE has moved on
HE had reinvented himself - a pivotal point - Lol could understand HIM now
Bowie was accepted by the Punks and the New Romantics - HE synthesises Society and Culture 

‘Always Crashing in The Same Car’…
Budgies deems Nick Lowe’s spoof of Low - Unfunny!
Tony Visconti on The Secret Setting of the Eventide Harmonizer 
and the LOW snare drum sound, “it fucks with the fabric of time!”
Bowie’s drum sticks handed over from Dennis Davis to Sterling Campbell 
LOW arrives as Lol and Budgie begin. Influenced by its tangents. WE never tire of listening to LOW. 
LOW gave us permission – LOW stated there are no rules!

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Lol's orange punk jacket and pants from the thrift store and pointy boots. The album that went with this outfit was the Clash’s first album. The picture on the back of the album is the Notting Hill Gate carnival.

Lol is in it mentally and spiritually.  “We’re a garage band, we come from Garageland.”

The Stranglers on the college juke box for Budgie. For Lol, it was white punks on dope on the college juke box.

Janie Jones was the track for Budgie on The Clash album. The lyrics were it for Budgie. The message was the thing for Budgie and Lol.

Lol's No Change jacket was his Clash clothes. Ian Curtis had a No Future jacket.

Lol danced with Jean Jaques and lived!

The Clash at Top Rank Bingo and the Leisure Center, a faceless new-brutalist building.

The tabloids bought the police to the gigs; Joe tried to calm the crowds and get off the PA!  Undercurrent of violence. Budgie met Paul Simonon steel brush hair and chiseled features. Attitude was key!

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In which they discuss: 
The Album at The Centre of The Banshees’ Split! 

Budgie leaves Liverpool for London - finds fluorescent socks and The Artful Dodger aka Steve Strange. / London’s empty Apartments are a Network of Knowledge for Survival in Post-war Britain / Money was Scarce, Ideas were Plentiful.

Budgie’s management was Swingbest - The Sex Pistols management was Glitterbest / The London Scene was Exclusive - Budgie lands in its Centre as Drummer with The Slits Opening for The Clash on their ‘Sort it Out’ tour / Budgie watched Topper watched Budgie / Lol hears the Beginning of Budgie’s Style.

From Island Records’ Jamaica Hub in London to Ridge Farm Recording Studio in Surrey, Cut begins on Passion Sunday, April 1st 1979 / Viv Albertine and Mick Jones are the Romeo and Juliet of Viv’s lyrics / No Punk Rock for Ari Up! / A 4 Week Emotional Roller Coaster but The Food was Amazing!

Budgie’s Trojan Records - Reggae Roots nurtured by Cut producer Dennis ‘Blackbeard’ Bovell / Blackbeard ‘Moonlights’ producing Linton Kwesi Johnson’s album ‘Forces of Victory’, back to back with ‘Cut’ / Viv says, Budgie was an extraordinary man to find / Ari and Budgie connected with a Passion for Beats and Pulse / The Slits found Their Gang - started by original Drummer Palmolive / Budgie embraced the Spirit of Palmolive and found his Own / A Magic Time!

Dedicated to: Ariane Daniele Forster - Ari Up (17 January 1962 – 20 October 2010)

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1981 The Stones turn up to see The Stray Cats in London!

Slim Jim meets Siouxsie and Budgie.

Lol sees The Cats strut their stuff at the Marquee.

They’re the greatest band in the world but, they have No name!

This is how they started

New Hair Cuts! Got all the Gear! Hello Blue Cats!

Any new haircut was cool.

Lot of cross-over in punk-era London.

Stray Cats - the most British, US new wave band on MTV.

They thought Terry Thomas and Ringo Starr would greet them at the airport in London.

Floors we have slept on! An 18-yr old Jennie Vee, made pilgrimage to London, took up bass and guitar and convinced John Peel she had a band.

The truth: There’s no band without a sick drummer!

Budgie did his 10,000 hours at Eric’s Club Liverpool. Budgie’s secret? he sings all his beats and sang himself to sleep to the Beatles. We All love Ringo getting inside the song and the pure joy of drumming. Drumming as a bloodsport!

Lol and Tony Kanal share a moment at The Greek with all Jim’s pals! Jennie Vee says, the greatest feeling is just to rock . Don’t do no crazy riff, just the joy of the moment is all.

The county clerk married Jennie and Jim on Zoom. We plan The big wedding party all star gig!

Lol was married in Vegas. Dick Smothers was next in the line. Budgie got married in Hong Kong.

Ronnie lane bumped into the Cats .Gave them the space in his house to be the band they became .. A hybrid of Punk & New Rockabilly. An emotional moment for Budgie . Still singing the songs. All roads lead to Eddie Cochran!

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A thread that pulls you through the years 

@rockhall-13 million people in 27 years!

Cleveland, Bowies' first us gig here, Jimi Hendrix, came back. Alan Freed coined the phrase rock and Roll.

I.M. Pei designed the museum building after he had seen The Who and Stones. Created a very energetic and emotional structure. The home of America's great art. Lol agrees that the design is suitable. The most relevant museum to people's lives The museum of the people. Lol sees his Let's Go To Bed outfit! In a case!  

The HOF was very emotional and blew Lols mind only 351 Bands in the HOF. Budgie knows the magic language of RnR. The hardest part is, it's such a big story from Punk, Patti Smith and Television. Lol and Budgie pledge to raise money for the new Post Punk annex "maybe it will be named after them, "Lols and Budgie Collection of Curious Creatures "( ?!) Lols brother still listens to John Lee Hooker. Budgie and Lol learned Blues on Sunday lunchtime at the pubs of England. The constant back and forth of the form is The engine. Budgie has the tip of Ringo's drumstick. Played an old banjo, and it became Budgies Excalibur sword!

Greg ran the Philadelphia record exchange. It's still going. The center of the place for our tribe. Even on the internet, record stores are a valuable items. Their connection with live music is vital still. Rock and Roll will never die! Fans know a lot, and they are reservoirs of memory . Post-punk is still loved. Budgies confesses he liked Glen Miller's "in the mood." Budgies knows there's no crying in baseball (only in music). Music condenses time. Get on stage, and you are ageless. Budgie and Lol are still here and thriving. Lols confesses his zombie love. It's all humbling and flattering at the same time. Budgie finds out Howling Wolf's guitar is in the HOF. Budgie recounts the sad story of Joe Strummer's guitar and sings the drums of Tommy Gunn! The jukebox in his head. 

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Rock and Roll Hal of Fame 
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In this Episode Lol and Budgie continue our talk with: Zola Jesus with whom, we discuss:

Zola in LA - Seattle and Wisconsin / Sacred Bones and family.

A Spiritual Strength to ground you / Zola’s black metal box in the woods.

Lol imagines a desert commune / A post-punk Kibbutz / Budgie acknowledges strong women.

Zola battles the male power dynamic and the Dark Witch Goddess archetype

Women in music - is it getting better? / Zola and the balance of masculine-feminine traits.

Progress in the Present! / Is the record industry any better? / As Deviants, We Always find a Way! Budgie rediscovers Malaria and Berlin’s community / Zola is channelling Brian Eno & Bowie

So much Good music Then - So much Good music Now! / We are in a Transition period.

An Emotionally Fertile Ground for Art Exists Now!

Dedicated to: Ariane Daniele Forster - Ari Up (17 January 1962 – 20 October 2010)

‘ARKHON ‘ - New Zola Jesus Album May 20 via Sacred Bones
“ Stick around and then we'll see ”

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Music is an all encompassing but insular process. A different air. Space and place is important . The Creatures played blind mans buff with a map of the world. The amazing three day New Years eve! Budgie bought Heinz baked beans and some drum sticks to Hawaii. A sense of occasion. To go outside of the normal experience. You have to grow by being put in a different environment and then responding. You need to unravel. Life is about risking things. Lol found Love in Los Angeles. Punk gave us a kick. People work more with references now rather than their own experience. Constant access to music from references that was made from an idiosyncratic place. No to curation, it's not life! Zola is in this for the music not the industry which does not reward innovation. More gradient less algorithm. Weightlifting to the Dead Kennedys.

She was a 6 year old opera singer. Resplendent in Red in Seattle like a zoo animal. Performing is a chance to let your ID go wild and lose control! Diamanda Galás as example. Budgie and Lol found our tribe in our youth. As did Zola growing up in Wisconsin in the woods. Feeling like an introverted outcast. Making music is like putting out the feelers to find people in common. That’s what music community is about. Music holds communal catharsis. We are in a period of transition - pandemic, politics, change is coming. We’re still hopeful after all these years!

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Strangers visiting were a different breed, an assault on our sensibilities. The people were real. It was candy, floss, toffee apples, and diesel. No internet, so no real connections/Lol had the library books and records, to develop a sense of discovery. Make a band and travel the world. Minor eccentrics would visit the workshop of humanity. A selection of institutional people that we interacted with. Mass murders at the fair? Extraordinary experiences then to the local pub. Lol had his ear pierced at sixteen, a rite of passage, bottles of cider in the park or on the couch. Budgie liked the waltzer. And the green caterpillar. Childhood images. Lol loved the ghost train too, banging doors.

Tales of the unknown. Peepshow Budgie recording the secret carousel, thrills of the unknown

Monsters under the bed and the hot water heater - Yikes! Country Road at night with fog is not scary. The old fighter pilot was buzzing about on a motorcycle. Run lads! Mists and tree lamps are melancholy, not frightening. Misty moors Dickens' Great Expectations and The Hound of the Baskervilles. Crucifix Lane, the London hospital, and Peter Sutcliffe and Dennis Nilsen OMG !!! Screaming and police whistles and tall black shadows with a cape. Isle of dogs and Melrose Avenue.

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First album takes three years and the next a millionth of the time

Did a new Specials album no Ska! Probably a new record coming, and Specials unplugged works great. All looking well! Lockdown produced covers of protest songs Terry has to have no distractions and go to Paris.

First tour since lockdown was fantastic. Lol remembers his first Specials show in 1979 at Bilzen Festival absolutely spectacular! It was the best show they ever did. Life changing! Utterly mental.

Lol learns backgammon. No Tour games for the Specials. Budgie played subbuteo with The Cult. Banshees played Clue and Yahtzee. The Cure played football and cricket inside the stadium. Bad idea.

The Specials weren’t mates. Two types of groups: mates from School (The Cure) and the guy with a master plan and cherry picked guys (The Specials) Class of 1979 the music was the common thread for the specials. Banshees had a ferocious kind of loyalty. Terry was a punk rocker in the squad

Burning Spear and Marley were the road in for Horace. Budgie remembers The Slits. He knew how to rehearse as did Lol three years for the Cure rehearsal no Christmas for the Smiths - the Cure are banging away in the woodshed.

Middle of the 70’s in England was full of discontent. Music was our salvation. Music is transcendental.

In 1977 Bowies Low and The Clash. Nick Drake miserable and beautiful. The way you get the music wrong is the way you get your own sound. the Skatellites told The Specials 'you play too fast". Garvey’s ghost/Burning Spear and Bob Marley live. Led Zeppelin scared the s*&% out of him.

Horace says he has very little to complain about. The Specials was a great way to see the art galleries of the world. When you're hot, you're hot then you spilt up. Why don’t you take a break? Lol likes being liberated at sixty.

It's mostly about relationships. We find out that The Specials would do any festival The Cure were on because we had a proper guitar tuner. Still best of mates all these years later!

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