On a new episode of The Rolling Stone Interview, writer Jack Crosbie sits down with president and CEO of the Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) for a conversation about running an empire, what legacy means to him, and the upcoming fight at the White House. The upcoming cage match in honor of the country’s 250th birthday was arranged at the behest of White’s “very close” friend, President Donald Trump, and will be put on by perhaps the single most important figure in American sports, Dana White. He’s the gateway to America’s most intimate displays of violence, a multiplatform empire that he says will encompass “every way that you could possibly kick another person’s ass.” That business has intersected with some of the most powerful people in every corner of the world. He’s got the ear of the president, the attention of the nation, and he’s just getting started.

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