Ana Navarro, co-host of The View and host of the new podcast Bleep!, joins Sam to talk about how she’s been boycotting DC for almost two years and what might finally bring her back there. They bond over how Donald Trump has aged them (their necks specifically), and Sam marvels at Ana’s insane schedule. Ana talks about how the restrictions of network TV and her urgent need to swear led her to start her new podcast, and explains why the 25th Amendment will never actually be invoked by this Cabinet. They talk about why the signs at the No Kings protests are so good, the importance of walking away from your phone sometimes, and a hope that the Pope could excommunicate JD Vance. *This episode was recorded before the White House Correspondents Dinner*

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