Newly released Epstein files show thousands of messages between Jeffrey Epstein and wellness guru Deepak Chopra. What were they talking about—and why was Epstein so interested in consciousness and spirituality? Vanessa and Natalie are joined by Matthew Remski, co-host of the podcast Conspirituality, to unpack Chopra’s rise, the business of wellness, and why the world’s richest men keep turning to spiritual gurus.
You can also check out Matthew’s other podcast, Antifascist Dad Podcast, and his forthcoming book of the same name.

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