PERE and its affiliate Real Estate Capital Europe were on the ground at Expo Real in Munich this week, hosting panel discussions and holding more than a hundred meetings with senior executives from across the private real estate market. So this week, The PERE Podcast brings you an informed dispatch on one of the biggest talking points of the week: Europe’s rising prospects, based on an anticipated rise in defense and infrastructure investment.

When NATO members pledged in June to spend as much as 5 percent of GDP annually on defense and critical infrastructure by 2035, private real estate market participants quickly began assessing the ways such spending could spur demand for real estate. These early insights were captured on prior episodes of The PERE Podcast this summer, which you can listen to here and here.

This week, the topic is gaining momentum again, with managers and investors at Expo Real eager to share their perspectives on European real estate’s potential NATO uplift and the markets and sectors that stand to benefit most. But it remains early days, and these policy drivers could be subject to change. How likely is it that defense-related real estate will form an asset class in its own right? Is the opportunity being overstated? And what types of challenges could come with investing in such a sector?

Listen as PEI real estate editor-in-chief Jonathan Brasse, PERE EMEA editor Charlotte D’Souza and Real Estate Capital Europe editor Daniel Cunningham talk to host Lucy Scott about what they heard in the halls of Expo Real this week. Then later in the episode, hear from Kevin Mofid, head of EMEA Industrial and Logistics Research at real estate services firm Savills, who takes listeners through the firm’s own calculations and why it predicts “substantial growth” on the horizon for industrial and logistics strategies.