Today’s episode brings together four of my oldest friends in the allocator business for the third time for an unscripted conversation on markets, portfolios, and life. My guests are Brett Barth of BBR Partners, Meredith Jenkins of Trinity Wall Street, Jon Harris of AIM, and Casey Whalen of Lazard Wealth.  Over two decades, our dinner crew has shared investment ideas and perspectives through cycles, and this conversation continues the tradition two years after their last appearance on the show.

We kick off with a lighthearted round of Final Jeopardy before diving into the current state of private markets and portfolio liquidity, tax considerations for different investor types, public equities, niche ideas, the role of AI in the investment process, and leadership and team building.

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Hugh MacArthur is the Chairman of Bain & Company’s Global Private Equity Practice, which he helped found more than thirty years ago. Hugh’s consulting team works on around 5,000 investment opportunities every year and comprises the largest practice area at Bain. He also hosts the “Dry Powder” podcast, my favorite in the private equity space.

Our conversation covers Bain’s work in private equity across due diligence, sourcing, value added support, and strategy for both GP and LP organizations. We then discuss findings from Bain’s latest Global Private Equity Report, including data on the slowdown in deal activity, liquidity bottleneck, private wealth inflows, carveouts, AI, and competitive positioning. We close with Hugh’s perspective on the winners and losers of the next era, and the strategies GPs and LPs need to pursue to come out on the right side of a changing industry.

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Bob Oros is the outgoing Chairman and CEO of Hightower Advisors, a leading RIA platform with over $165 billion in assets under management. Bob has spent three decades in the wealth management industry, including stints at Charles Schwab, LPL, and Fidelity before joining Hightower in 2019. During the last six years, he oversaw fifty acquisitions of RIAs that he integrated under Hightower’s Well-th Rebalanced culture.

Our conversation shares a perspective on how RIAs function and allocate capital at scale. We cover the evolution of private wealth from product sales to holistic planning, the founding and transformation of Hightower, and Bob’s approach to building a scalable, advisor-focused platform. We discuss Hightower’s acquisition strategy and process, advisor retention, and private equity ownership, and then turn to its investment approach that blends centralized oversight with advisor flexibility. We close with Bob’s decision to step down as CEO in an exciting time for the business and some leadership lessons he’s picked up along the way.

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Josh Koplewicz is the Managing Partner of Thayer Street Partners, a boutique private equity firm he founded in 2012 that provides flexible growth capital to lower middle market companies in financial and business services.

Our conversation traces Josh’s journey from his early fascination with business and real estate to building Thayer Street into an institutional platform. We discuss the lessons he learned at Goldman Sachs and his transition from scrappy dealmaker to fund manager. We cover Thayer Street’s thematic sourcing, deal structuring, and portfolio construction, the evolving landscape for non-bank growth capital, challenges of scaling a boutique firm, and Josh’s vision for Thayer Street’s future.

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David Breach is the President and Chief Operating Officer of Vista Equity Partners, a leading specialist in enterprise software investing with over $100 billion in assets. David joined Vista a decade ago when it managed $13 billion and has been instrumental in helping manage its rapid growth. Robert Smith, Vista’s founder, was a past guest on the show, and that conversation is replayed in the feed.

Our conversation centers on Vista’s strategic expansion into the private wealth channel. David shares the firm’s rationale for moving beyond its institutional roots, the lessons learned from other industry leaders, and the operational buildout required to serve private wealth investors. We discuss Vista’s approach to product design and the pitch to offer differentiated exposure. David also addresses the challenges of balancing the needs of institutional and private wealth investors and maintaining discipline as more capital flows into alternatives.

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Robert F. Smith is the Founder, Chairman and CEO, Vista Equity Partners. Vista is a private investment firm that focuses entirely on enterprise software companies and manages $75 billion in assets across private equity, permanent capital, credit and public vehicles.

Taken together, Vista’s current portfolio companies are about 70 in number and house 70,000 employees, 700,000 customers across 175 countries, and 200 million global users. Its combined revenue would make the portfolio one of the largest enterprise software companies in the world.

Our conversation covers Robert’s background, the special characteristics of enterprise software, screening potential targets, adding value through industry expertise, assessing management teams, employing operational and financial leverage, and exiting investments. We then turn to managing Vista and the competitive landscape, and close with reflections on Robert’s past mistakes and impact through philanthropy.

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Kipp deVeer is the Co-President of Ares Management, a leading global public alternative investment firm that manages $500 billion across credit, private equity, real assets, and infrastructure. Kipp came on the show last year to share the Ares story, and that conversation is replayed in the feed.

Our conversation covers Ares’ credit-centric approach to serving the wealth channel. We discuss Ares’ dedicated focus and expansion in private wealth alongside a strategic acquisition five years ago, the resources and strategies Ares has developed since, the firm’s approach to scaling distribution, servicing financial advisors, navigating procyclical capital flows in credit, and maintaining underwriting discipline amidst rapid growth. We discuss the challenges of building brand recognition in the channel and opportunities ahead in wealth for real assets and infrastructure investments, and in Europe and Asia.

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Kipp deVeer is a Director and Partner of Ares Management, the $30 billon market cap public company (ARES) that manages $360 billion in assets, including $250 billion in credit. Kipp joined Ares twenty years ago and serves as the Head of Ares Credit Group, CEO of the public BDC Ares Capital Corporation (ARCC), and a member of the Executive Management Committee.

Our conversation covers Kipp’s path to Ares, the business and credit markets twenty years ago, and the exponential growth of Ares since. We turn to the firm’s research process across origination and sourcing, underwriting, investment targets, and portfolio construction. We then discuss Kipp’s perspective on the credit environment, opportunities, and risks and close with a look at the future of Ares. For full show notes, visit the episode webpage here. Learn More Follow Ted on Twitter at @tseides or LinkedIn Subscribe to the mailing list Access Transcript with Premium Membership

Jon Madorsky is Managing Partner and Co-Portfolio manager of the secondaries strategy at RCP Advisors, one of the largest managers focused exclusively on North American lower middle market buyouts. Jon joined the firm 21 years ago and has participated in the growth of the secondaries business from its earliest stages. His partner, Alex Abell, joined me on the show last year and that conversation is replayed in the feed.

Our conversation covers the history and maturation of the secondaries market from a red-headed stepchild to a modern portfolio tool. We discuss the use cases, transaction types, and capital sources in secondaries, RCP’s investment strategy, levers of value creation, portfolio construction, and exit strategy. Jon also shares his perspective on secondary market pricing, growth, risks, and the future of the industry.

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Alex Abell is a Managing Partner at RCP Advisors, which at $14 billion of committed capital, is one of the largest firms focused exclusively on lower-middle market buyouts. Alex has spent twenty-three years in the business, starting on the LP side, building Atlas Diligence – a research and advisory platform focused on advanced analytics, and then merging Atlas with RCP a decade ago. Today, he helps manage RCP’s research efforts, its customized solutions, and advisory services.

Our conversation covers Alex’s path and lessons learned investing in lower middle market buyout funds across assessing managers with data, benchmarking, blending quantitative and qualitative factors, and applying insights to primary and secondary investing.

Alex and I just scratch the surface on what’s possible with analytics in the private markets. If you’d like to learn more, reach out to Alex directly at [email protected]

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