Breaking news! As the recording starts, word arrives that a judge has dismissed Trump's $15 billion defamation suit against the New York Times. Ben riffs. Denali takes the long view--to understand what Trump is doing as president today, you need to go back in time to the Biden years, when MAGA was preparing to seize control. So she takes the deep dive on a particularly ugly campaign waged in Georgian by white moms against a Black educator. That leads to the question--what do people mean when they say "just a mom"? A few words about Kirk, Kamala and other things. Denali is an activist in Chicago.

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