In this episode of The Psyche Podcast, I sit down with psychoanalyst, scholar, and author Derek Hook to explore the intersections between Frantz Fanon, Jacques Lacan, and the work of decolonial psychoanalysis. Drawing from Derek’s new book, Fanon, Psychoanalysis, and Critical Decolonial Psychology: The Mind of Apartheid, we discuss how Fanon both used and transformed psychoanalysis to address the psychic realities of racism, colonization, and liberation.

Derek shares how growing up under apartheid shaped his lifelong interest in the psychological mechanisms of racism and domination. We talk about Fanon’s early encounter with Lacanian ideas through François Tosquelles, his critical response to Octave Mannoni, and how Black Skin, White Masks continues to challenge the limits of both psychoanalysis and politics.

Together, we unpack Fanon’s reworking of Jung’s “collective unconscious” into what Derek calls a European collective unconscious—a psychic structure shaped by racial fantasy, colonial desire, and historical trauma. We also reflect on the place of the “third” or the big Other in the analytic encounter, and how Fanon’s vision of a decolonial psychology continues to unsettle, inspire, and demand reflection.

This was a deeply engaging conversation that bridges theory and experience—an exploration of how Fanon’s work helps us think about freedom not only as a social project but as a psychic and existential one.