It's late at night. Only because Jan has been asked to talk about something he knows very little about so we asked someone at the other side of the planet for help – the wonderful Shirley Gregor. With her on the show, it is finally time to talk about design science, clichés and stereotypes. We wonder whether more people write about doing design science than actually do design science, how scholarly design research has to be, and why Izak Benbasat might be the most successful design scientist of all time. As usual, the references to readings we mention are listed on http://www.janrecker.com/this-is-research-podcast/.