In this special episode of Policy, Guns and Money, Justin Bassi speaks to Lisa Curtis, Senior Fellow and Director of the Indo-Pacific Security Program at CNAS, and former senior director for South and Central Asia on the US NSC, and Bec Shrimpton, Director of ASPI’s Sydney Dialogue and former Senior Advisor - Major Powers to the Minister for Foreign Affairs and Minister for Women.

They discuss deterrence – what it is, how it works, whether we have or lack it - and how the US and Australia can work together to achieve their deterrence goals.

Guests (in order of appearance):

Justin Bassi: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/justin-bassi

Lisa Curtis: https://www.cnas.org/people/lisa-curtis

Bec Shrimpton: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/bec-shrimpton

Music: "this feels different" by Independent Music Licensing Collective (IMLC) via the FreeMusicArchive.org