Join Atlas Society CEO Jennifer Grossman for the 273rd episode of Objectively Speaking, where Professor Lucas Morel joins her alongside returning guest Jonathan White to talk about the duo's co-authored book "Measuring the Man: The Writings of Frederick Douglass on Abraham Lincoln," which assembles Frederick Douglass’s most meaningful and poignant statements about Abraham Lincoln, including a dozen newly discovered documents that have not been seen for 160 years.

"Measuring the Man: The Writings of Frederick Douglass on Abraham Lincoln" - https://amzn.to/4kyEuyO

Lucas Morel is a Professor of Ethics and Politics at Washington and Lee University and works at the Jack Miller Center as a Board Member, Academic Advisory Council Member, and Founding Civics Initiative Faculty. He is the author of several books and publications, including "Lincoln, and the American Founding" and currently serves on the U.S. Semiquincentennial Commission, which will plan activities to commemorate the 250th anniversary of the founding of the United States.

Jonathan W. White is a historian and the author or editor of more than 20 books and over 100 articles, essays, and reviews on Abraham Lincoln, the Civil War, slavery and emancipation, and the U.S. Constitution. Aside from teaching American studies at Christopher NewPort University, White wears many hats including Distinguished Lecturer for the Organization of American Historians, serving on the Boards of Directors of the Abraham Lincoln Institute and the Abraham Lincoln Association, along with being the Vice Chair of The Lincoln Forum. He published his first children’s book My Day with Abe Lincoln in 2024 with a new book planned for release later this fall.