Case numbers in both Victoria and NSW continue to climb, with both states yesterday posting new daily records for this year.

While Victoria's daily cases are far behind NSW, Victoria is on a similar trajectory as NSW was - despite locking down hard and early.

So what's going on? Why are cases continuing to rise?

Also on today's show:

* ATAGI recommends vaccinations for 12-15 year olds

* With kids getting the vaccines, what will that mean for the 70/80 per cent targets (as more people are now getting vaccinated)

* What is the likelihood of an even more transmissible or deadly strain emerging and what should we be doing to be ready for it?