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Christian Barth is an author and attorney living in Connecticut, but hails from the lovely Garden State - New Jersey. His most recent book, The Garden State Parkway murders, is about about the unsolved murders of Susan Davis and Elizabeth Perry, which occurred on Memorial Day Weekend, 1969in Ocean City, NJ. Christian recalls his parents discussing this case while driving along the very same highway where their bodies were discovered. His curiosity around the case combined to his deep interest in the American era of the late 1960's inspired him to write this book which ended up being a nine year long journey.
You will understand why when you hear our conversation. Among the many suspects in this case, Ted Bundy and Gerald Stano make an appearance, with Bundy's possible involvement being controversial to some. Though not a known serial killer, one suspect ended up being an active member of the Aryan Republican Army, and known white supremacist.
This book is so rich in both context and case details, that I hope it wakes the memory of anyone still alive that might have information about the case.  You can find more about Christian and his work here. You can find The Garden State Parkway Murders and his first book, The Origins of Infamy, here.  Learn more about Christian and find him on social via his website.

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Cheyna Roth is an investigative journalist and true crime author, but her career began as a lawyer in the prosecutors office. Hear all about what inspired the change, and most importantly, what led to her 1st book ( JUST LAUNCHED YESTERDAY), COLD CASES: A True Crime Collection. Cheyna and I had a great chat about all aspects of true crime, including which victims we care about and why. We spend sometime discussing the Freeway Phantom Killings and why the victims - all young women of color, received far less media coverage than their white victim counterparts. The case remains unsolved and the 6 families have not received closure or justice.

As a continuation of the DIE-ALOGUE Summer Reading Series, we are giving away a signed copy of her book to a lucky listener! After listening to this episode, tweet a link to the episode (wherever you listened) and tag me: @diealoguepod and @Cheyna_R for a chance to win a copy! https://twitter.com/diealoguepod   https://twitter.com/Cheyna_R

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DIE-ALOGUE is a Yellow Tape Inc. Production. Hosted by Rebekah Sebastian. Edited by Chris Gersbeck. Original theme music by Olivia Himes.
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Harold Schechter is a true crime historian with an impressive 43 books under his belt. You might fancy yourself an expert on serial killers, but Mr. Schechter, legit and officially, which you will hear in our conversation. He is also Professor of Literature and Pop Culture at Queens College which only validates his expertise in story structure and history. He is just a walking, talking encyclopedia of true crime factoids, stats, history and stories! I am upping my true crime trivia game thanks to Harold.
Hi latest book, RIPPED FROM THE HEADLINES, released yesterday. I highly recommend this book if you love true crime or movies, and espeically if you love both. Each chapter is based on a popular film and the true crime case or story it is based on. Did you know the following movies have roots in true crime? The Fugitive, Alpha Dogs, SCREAM, Dirty Harry, The Hills Have Eyes and so many more. Let's embark on a reading journey that will surely frighten, amaze, confound and entertain you.
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Today's episode is sponsored by BIRDIE. Birdie is a modern personal safety alarm created for women, by women. I have one and I love it! Use code DIEHARD for 10% off your purchase! https://www.shesbirdie.com/
DIE-ALOGUE is a Yellow Tape Inc. Production. Hosted by Rebekah Sebastian. Edited by Chris Gersbeck. Original theme music by Olivia Himes.
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Today's episode will give us a legal refresher on topics that are relevant to current events. Benjamin Taylor, partner at Taylor Gomez Law brings kindness, wisdom and action to today's conversation! I enjoyed my time with Benjamin and hearing how his career pivot ( from finance to law) led him to advocating for clients who's rights had been violated. We talk a lot about definitions of terms we are hearing a lot right now: civil rights violation vs. hate crime, defunding police vs. police reform. Best of all, Benjamin leaves us with ACTIONS we can take to affect change. I am grateful for Ben sharing his time and expertise. Learn more about his law practice here and follow him on twitter here.
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DIE-ALOGUE is a Yellow Tape Inc. Production. Hosted by Rebekah Sebastian. Edited by Chris Gersbeck. Original theme music by Olivia Himes.
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My guests today need no introduction: Please welcome the Crawlspace Network Founders, Missing Maura Murray Creators, and fixtures of the true crime community: Tim Pilleri + Lance Reenstierna.
You might know a little about these two already, but you’re going to learn a lot. What is Lance reading these days, do the guys even watch true crime shows, was Tim’s Mom a murderino?!?  I promise these two deliver as always in this laugh filled hour, but you will also learn they do so much more than you realize. They are content machines - but with heart. Check out their in house shows Missing Maura Murray, Empty Frames, pi-rational, Life Of, and more! Additionally, they host a portfolio of podcasts hosted by other creators ( some you will recognize as past DIE-ALOGUE guests) that you should also check out. AND, if you still have time in your schedule, check out their documentary Finding Maura Murray on Amazon Prime, and their Oxygen special, The Disappearance of Maura Murray.
I have to mention that these two are so passionate about missing person and cold cases, pretty much all that they do stems from a genuine desire to bring justice to families of victims. They both sit on the board of Private Investigations For the Missing — a non-profit created by Bruce Mailtlin.
Finally, Listen for the big announcement at the end of this episode to learn what’s new with DIE-ALOGUE! Thank you Tim and Lance for killing the small talk and making me laugh and part of the family.
Follow Crawlspace on social: IG @crawlspacepodcast Twitter: @crawlspacepod
And every Thursday night on GetVokl at 9pm EST!
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DIE-ALOGUE is a Yellow Tape Inc. Production. Hosted by Rebekah Sebastian. Edited by Chris Gersbeck. Original theme music by Olivia Himes.
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Say hello to my lovely guest and new friend, Andre Matthews: creator and host of 'Bruh Issa Murder.' We get to the meaning and story behind that title straight out the gate, but essentially, it's a statement of the obvious that so many of us have experienced while watching a story about a possible accident or maybe a murder... bruh, issa murder. 
Andre shares how he's a voracious true crime consumer, but failed to see the cases and stories featuring of people of color and LGBTQ folks. He set out to shine a light on these cases, with some dumb crimes and creepy pasta thrown in for good measure. Andres also shares a victim's story AND a murder case that I have NEVER heard of that made me wanting to know more. I know you will find Andre to be as amazing as I did, and you should check out his show if you haven't already. In addition to stories around lesser known cases, you will also hear current event break downs, and be introduced to new music artists. Catch his show here or wherever you listen to podcasts! He is on social as well: Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter.
Andre is also on GetVokl on TRUE CRIME THURSDAYS! I am too. Come join our livestreams: I am on at 7pm EST, and Andre is on at 10pm EST.
A note about our conversation: I misspoke and said The Trans Doe Project, but I was actually referring the Trans Doe Task Force- check out the work they do.
FUN UPDATE! DIE-ALOGUE Merch + Swag is here! Check out the products and scoop up what you like. Items ship July 19, so you have to order prior.
May I suggest a mug or a tote bag? Last thing: enter to win an amazing piece of merch AND accompanying pepper spray ( safety first, right) on my instagram feed: @diealoguepod. Winner announced Thursday night on GetVokl!
DIE-ALOGUE is a Yellow Tape Inc. Production. Hosted by Rebekah Sebastian. Edited by Chris Gersbeck. Original theme music by Olivia Himes.
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Truth and Lies - both are critical elements in discerning what happened in most true crime cases. I speak with an interview expert, Mark McClish, who in addition to a 26 year in federal law enforcement, developed a technique called Statement Analysis, which helps him ascertain if a  person’s statements - written or oral - are truthful. We discuss truthfulness at large and how humans generally do not want to lie. You will  learn why “never”  is a problematic word, and I ask him about one of the principles from his book: BELIEVE WHAT PEOPLE TELL YOU. We unpack this for a bit.
While we touch on several high profile cases and statements made by related individuals, I ask him specifically about a case that he used as an example in his book, “I Know You are Lying.” the statement is a 1993 video interview by Michael Jackson in response to allegations of molesting a child. I am including a link to the interview here. It will give context and might be helpful as we talk about some of those words.
You can learn more about Mark’s work and books on his website:http://statementanalysis.com/
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In today’s show, you will also hear a brief message at the top about how I am processing and seeking to understand the conversation around race and justice in our country. I want this to be an ongoing conversation, so please feel free to get in touch with me. There are many ways!
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In lieu of a new episode today, I am participating in a podcast blackout and Podcasters for Justice as a way to peacefully protest the racism we continue to witness and experience every day in America. I am enraged and heartbroken over the deaths of Ahmaud Arbery, Breonna Taylor, and George Floyd. I know this list is tragically incomplete. The following statement was created by Danielle Des and Tangia Al-awaji Estrada, both voices in the WOC Podcaster Community:
We are podcasters united to condemn the tragic murders of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor and many many others at the hands of police. This is a continuation of the systemic racism pervasive in our country since its inception and we are committed to standing against racism in all its forms.
We believe that to be silent is to be complicit.
We believe that Black lives matter.
We believe that Black lives are more important than property.
We believe that we have a responsibility to use our platforms to speak out against this injustice whenever and wherever we are witness to it.
In creating digital media we have built audiences that return week after week to hear our voices and we will use our voices to speak against anti-blackness and police brutality, and we encourage our audiences to be educated, engaged, and to take action.
Below are resources for additional ways to support, donate and learn:
George Floyd Memorial Fund: https://www.gofundme.com/f/georgefloyd
Minnesota Freedom Fund: https://minnesotafreedomfund.org/
Black Visions Collective: https://www.blackvisionsmn.org/
Black Lives Matter: https://www.Blacklivesmatter.com
Minneapolis NAACP Branch: https://www.paypal.me/mplsnaacp4050B
Justice for Breonna Taylor: https://www.change.org/p/andy-beshear-justice-for-breonna-taylor?use_react=false
I Run with Amaud https://www.gofundme.com/f/i-run-with-maud
Be the Bridge: https://bethebridge.com/
Equal Justice Initiative https://eji.org/
Queens Defenders/Know Your Rights https://queensdefenders.org/


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What do you get when two individual true crime podcasters with unique but complimentary skillsets team up to create one together? A fantastic podcast and a great interview on DIE-ALOGUE. Javier Leiva and John Taylor each have their own successful podcasts. PRETEND Radio and Twisted, respectfully. They collaborated to tell the story of the mysterious death of Michelle O'Connel, and the murder of Eli Washtock. If that's confusing at all, start listening to their show, Criminal Conduct, now. Wait, first listen to them share their creative process, behind the scenes investigation stories, and how their interest in the darker side of things first started for both of them. There's just a couple episodes left of Criminal Conduct, so go enjoy the binge, and join us for a follow up GetVokl conversation Thursday night, May 28 at 7pm Eastern.  Follow Criminal Conduct on Instagram + Twitter:  Find Javier's podcast, PRETEND, here. Listen to John's podcast, Twisted, here. Thank you, Javier + John, for killing the small talk! DIE-ALOGUE is a Yellow Tape Inc. Production. Hosted by Rebekah Sebastian. Edited by Chris Gersbeck. Original theme music by Olivia Himes. Don't forget we are on Twitter, Instagram + FB: @diealoguepod Use the hashtag #diealoguepod on social media! If you enjoy DIE-ALOGUE, please consider leaving a five start rating and review wherever you listen!  KILL THE SMALL TALK. START A DIE-ALOGUE.

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