Matt speaks to the artist Dina Kelberman about her 2019 film ‘The Goal is to Live’.

The feature length film is made entirely of clips from the Canadian TV series ‘How It’s Made’, and we discuss the process of making the film, including the soundtrack made by musicians Rod Hamilton & Tiffany Seal. We also geek out about ‘How It’s Made’ more generally, and talk about its relationship to the capitalist production processes it purports to explain.

Dina’s website with a trailer for the film - http://dinakelberman.com/#thegoalistolive

Manufactured Landscapes by Jennifer Baichwal -https://www.edwardburtynsky.com/projects/films/manufactured-landscapes

Rod Hamilton & Tiffany Seal - https://soundcloud.com/rod_and_tiffany

Terry Riley - A Rainbow in Curved Air - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy3W-3HPMWg

Workers Leaving the Factory (1995) - Harun Farocki - https://vimeo.com/59338090

Images of the World and the Inscription of War, Harun Farocki - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjOl8TY8GkU

Workers Leaving the Googleplex by Andrew Norman Wilson - http://www.andrewnormanwilson.com/WorkersGoogleplex.html