Discernment of Spirits with Fr. Timothy Gallagher - Discerning Hearts Catholic Podcasts

The Ninth Rule:

There are three principal reasons why we find ourselves desolate.

The first is, because of our being tepid, lazy or negligent in our spiritual exercises; and so through our faults, spiritual consolation withdraws from us.

The second, to try us and see how much we are and how much we let ourselves out in His service and praise without such great pay of consolation and great graces.

The third, to give us true acquaintance and knowledge, that we may interiorly feel that it is not ours to get or keep great devotion, intense love, tears, or any other spiritual consolation, but that all is the gift and grace of God our Lord, and that we may not build a nest in a thing not ours, raising our intellect into some pride or vainglory, attributing to us devotion or the other things of the spiritual consolation.

Episode Eleven of The Discernment of Spirits: Setting the Captives Free focuses on Rule Nine, where St. Ignatius addresses one of the most important questions in the spiritual life. If God loves us and we love God, why does He allow spiritual desolation? Fr. Timothy Gallagher, in conversation with Kris McGregor, explains why this rule completes and deepens the earlier teachings on desolation.

Fr. Gallagher begins by naming the problem directly. A person is sincere. Prayer has been faithful. Growth has been real. Then suddenly, consolation disappears. Prayer becomes difficult. God feels distant. Without Rule Nine, the spiritual life would be left with an unanswered wound. Ignatius does not avoid the question. He gives reasons.

Ignatius teaches that there are three principal causes for spiritual desolation. The first is straightforward. At times, desolation comes because of negligence or sloth in spiritual practices. Something has slipped. Prayer has been shortened. Attention has wandered. Desolation acts as a wake-up call. It alerts the heart so that healthy adjustments can be made and communion with God restored.

Fr. Gallagher offers a concrete example. A person begins daily prayer with Scripture and grows steadily. Life then becomes chaotic. Illness. Work pressures. Fatigue. Prayer is set aside for understandable reasons. When life settles again, prayer is not resumed. Over time, the sense of God’s closeness fades. Desolation reveals what has been lost and invites renewal.

Ignatius himself reflects on this in his spiritual diary. He recognizes that consolation withdrew when his attentiveness to God slipped. He concludes that it was better not to be consoled for his faults. God, who loves him more than he loves himself, permitted desolation for his greater good.

The second reason Ignatius gives is trial. God allows desolation to test the heart. The trial reveals how much a person seeks God apart from spiritual rewards. Growth occurs here. Something is learned that could not be learned otherwise. Fr. Gallagher notes that many people look back on periods of spiritual darkness and later recognize how much they grew through them.

To illustrate this, Fr. Gallagher recalls earlier examples and everyday spiritual life. Discernment is not lived only in peak moments or major decisions. It is lived while driving home, sitting at a kitchen table, or facing discouragement at the end of an ordinary day. This is where Ignatius’s wisdom meets real life.

Fr. Gallagher then turns to the words of St. Francis of Assisi. A brother approaches Francis during a time of temptation and heaviness. Francis responds with astonishing tenderness. He tells the brother that the more he is tempted, the more he is loved. Temptation overcome, Francis says, is like a ring by which the Lord espouses the soul to Himself. Trial becomes intimacy.

The third reason Ignatius gives is humility. Spiritual consolation is not something we produce. It is pure gift. Desolation teaches this truth in the flesh. When consolation is absent, the heart learns that devotion, tears, and love are not possessions. They belong to God. This protects the soul from subtle pride and roots it in humility.

Fr. Gallagher draws on the spiritual journal of St Peter Faber. Faber describes repeated experiences of discouragement followed closely by God’s remedy. Each trial became a stimulus to deeper growth. Desolation never left him lukewarm. It called him forward.

The episode concludes with a personal reflection from Fr. Gallagher. Looking back on a painful season of darkness, he recognizes that it compelled him to grow, study, and take new steps that shaped his entire vocation. What felt destructive at the time became formative in hindsight.

Episode Eleven presents Rule Nine as a rule of deep reassurance. Spiritual desolation is never meaningless. God may allow it to correct, to strengthen, or to humble. In every case, God acts out of love. The God who allows desolation is the God who loves us more than we love ourselves.

How do you usually interpret spiritual heaviness when it appears?

Have you ever noticed desolation revealing an area of neglect in your spiritual life?

Can you recall growth that came through a time of trial or darkness?

How does knowing that consolation is a pure gift change your perspective?

Which of the three reasons for desolation speaks most to your current experience?

Why is Rule Nine essential to understanding spiritual desolation?

How does Ignatius prevent us from assuming desolation always means failure?

What role does trial play in spiritual maturity?

How do the stories of St. Francis and Blessed Peter Faber illuminate this rule?

How can this teaching help parish leaders accompany others through discouragement?

 The 14 Rules for Discerning Spirits –

Father Timothy M. Gallagher, O.M.V., was ordained in 1979 as a member of the Oblates of the Virgin Mary, a religious community dedicated to retreats and spiritual formation according to the Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius.  Fr. Gallagher is featured on the EWTN series “Living the Discerning Life:  The Spiritual Teachings of St. Ignatius of Loyola

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In this foundational episode, Fr. Gallagher shares how the Ignatian teaching on the Discernment of Spirits grew out of his own priestly formation and retreat ministry. He explains that discernment is not simply about making decisions, but about learning to notice and understand the interior spiritual experience that unfolds daily within the heart and mind. These interior movements include times of spiritual energy, clarity, and desire, as well as periods of heaviness, resistance, and discouragement.

Drawing from the wisdom of St. Ignatius of Loyola, Fr. Gallagher introduces the fourteen rules of discernment as practical guidelines meant to be lived. These rules help people recognize what draws them closer to God, identify what leads away from spiritual freedom, and respond wisely to both consolation and desolation. He describes how movements of the heart and patterns of thought work together, shaping prayer, relationships, and daily responsibilities.

Throughout the conversation, Fr. Gallagher explains why this teaching speaks so powerfully to ordinary spiritual experience. Rather than focusing on extraordinary states of prayer, the discernment of spirits addresses the realities of family life, work, parish involvement, and personal prayer. The rules provide concrete tools for navigating spiritually difficult seasons, not only enduring them, but growing through them.

This FREE Discerning Hearts podcast series is designed for individual spiritual formation and can also be used effectively for small groups, parish studies, retreats, and faith-sharing gatherings. Episode One invites listeners to begin slowly, with formation, patience, and trust, allowing clarity to unfold through daily awareness.

What interior movements do you notice most often in your daily prayer or spiritual life?

How do times of spiritual energy differ from times of heaviness or resistance for you?

How do your thoughts change when your heart feels close to God compared to when it feels distant?

What makes it difficult to pause and notice what is happening within before reacting?

Where might greater awareness of your interior spiritual experience lead to deeper freedom?

How does Fr. Gallagher describe discernment as different from simple decision-making?

Why is it important to attend to both movements of the heart and patterns of thought?

What challenges arise when people encounter spiritual desolation?

How can learning discernment together support perseverance in the spiritual life?

Why do you think this teaching resonates so strongly with ordinary daily experience?

Father Timothy M. Gallagher, O.M.V., was ordained in 1979 as a member of the Oblates of the Virgin Mary, a religious community dedicated to retreats and spiritual formation according to the Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius.  Fr. Gallagher is featured on the EWTN series “Living the Discerning Life:  The Spiritual Teachings of St. Ignatius of Loyola”. 

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In Episode Two of The Discernment of Spirits: Setting the Captives Free, Fr. Timothy Gallagher continues the foundational teaching by turning directly to the lived experience of St. Ignatius of Loyola. In conversation with Kris McGregor, Fr. Gallagher recounts the dramatic events surrounding Ignatius’s conversion and the quiet interior discovery that gave birth to the discernment of spirits.

This episode traces Ignatius’s life before his conversion, marked by ambition, violence, and the pursuit of worldly honor, and the pivotal injury at Pamplona that forced him into a long season of recovery. During that time of convalescence, Ignatius began to notice something new. As he reflected on thoughts of worldly success, his heart was left dry and unsettled. When he imagined imitating the saints and serving God, his heart remained peaceful and content even after the thoughts passed.

Fr. Gallagher explains how this simple but profound observation became a turning point. Ignatius’s “eyes were opened a little,” allowing him to recognize patterns within his interior life. Rather than dismissing the experience, Ignatius reflected on it, pondered it, and acted upon it. This moment of awareness marked the beginning of a new way of living and ultimately led to the development of the Spiritual Exercises and the fourteen rules for discernment.

Episode Two introduces the core structure of discernment that will guide the rest of the series: becoming aware of interior spiritual movements, understanding their source, and responding with action by accepting what is of God and rejecting what is not. Fr. Gallagher invites listeners to recognize that this grace is not reserved for saints alone. These moments of clarity are available in ordinary life, wherever one is willing to notice and reflect on what is happening within.

This episode prepares listeners to enter more deeply into the rules themselves by grounding discernment in real human experience and the transformative power of attentive spiritual awareness. 

Can you recall times when certain thoughts left your heart restless or empty after they passed?

When have thoughts centered on God or service brought a deeper and more lasting peace?

How attentive are you to what remains in your heart after prayer, reflection, or decision-making?

What might it mean for your life if your “eyes were opened a little” to interior spiritual movements?

Where might God be inviting you to reflect more deeply rather than move quickly to action?

Why is Ignatius’s convalescence such an important setting for the birth of discernment?

How does this episode challenge the idea that holiness depends on extraordinary experiences?

What role does reflection and patience play in Ignatius’s discovery?

How does Ignatius’s experience help us understand spiritual freedom?

Why is awareness the essential first step before understanding and action?

Father Timothy M. Gallagher, O.M.V., was ordained in 1979 as a member of the Oblates of the Virgin Mary, a religious community dedicated to retreats and spiritual formation according to the Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius.  Fr. Gallagher is featured on the EWTN series “Living the Discerning Life:  The Spiritual Teachings of St. Ignatius of Loyola”. 

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Episode 3 -The First Rule:

In the persons who go from mortal sin to mortal sin, the enemy is commonly used to propose to them apparent pleasures, making them imagine sensual delights and pleasures in order to hold them more and make them grow in their vices and sins. In these persons the good spirit uses the opposite method, pricking them and biting their consciences through the process of reason.

Episode Three of The Discernment of Spirits: Setting the Captives Free turns to Rule One of the Discernment of Spirits. Fr. Timothy Gallagher explains how this rule applies when a person’s life is moving away from God and toward serious sin.

To illuminate the rule, Fr. Gallagher draws from the conversion story of St. Augustine. Augustine’s early life was marked by powerful desires and imagined pleasures. These thoughts were engaging and compelling. They promised satisfaction and fulfillment. Yet over time, they left his heart restless, empty, and unable to find peace.

Fr. Gallagher explains that this pattern reveals the action described in Rule One. When a person is moving away from God, the enemy works primarily through the imagination. Apparent pleasures are proposed and entertained. They hold the heart in patterns of sin and keep it from turning toward what brings lasting joy.

At the same time, the good spirit acts in a contrary way. God works through conscience and reason. He allows discomfort, restlessness, and unease to surface. This is not punishment. It is mercy. It is the loving refusal of God to abandon the heart to a path that cannot satisfy.

Through contemporary examples, Fr. Gallagher shows how this rule applies in ordinary life today. This is especially true in a culture shaped by constant images and distraction. The good spirit works patiently through conscience, relationships, and grace. The purpose is to awaken the heart to the need for change.

The restlessness and dissatisfaction that feel like distance from God may actually be signs of His nearness. They may be the quiet action of love calling the heart back.

Episode Three offers a clear and compassionate understanding of Rule One. It helps listeners recognize both the tactics that lead the heart away from God and the grace that draws it home.

Have you noticed times when imagined pleasures promised satisfaction but left your heart unsettled afterward?

When have feelings of restlessness or dissatisfaction led you to deeper reflection about your life?

How do images and media influence your imagination and spiritual focus?

Can you recognize moments when discomfort or unease in conscience may have been an invitation to change?

Where might God be gently calling you back through experiences that feel like an interior struggle?

How does St. Augustine’s experience help clarify the meaning of Rule One?

Why does Ignatius describe the action of the good spirit as “stinging and biting” the conscience?

How can restlessness serve as a form of mercy rather than condemnation?

In what ways does modern culture intensify the dynamics described in Rule One?

How can understanding this rule foster hope for personal and communal conversion?

Father Timothy M. Gallagher, O.M.V., was ordained in 1979 as a member of the Oblates of the Virgin Mary, a religious community dedicated to retreats and spiritual formation according to the Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius.  Fr. Gallagher is featured on the EWTN series “Living the Discerning Life:  The Spiritual Teachings of St. Ignatius of Loyola”. 

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Episode 4 -The Second Rule:

In the persons who are going on intensely cleansing their sins and rising from good to better in the service of God our Lord, it is the method contrary to that in the first Rule, for then it is the way of the evil spirit to bite, sadden and put obstacles, disquieting with false reasons, that one may not go on; and it is proper to the good to give courage and strength, consolations, tears, inspirations and quiet, easing, and putting away all obstacles, that one may go on in well-doing.

Episode Four of The Discernment of Spirits: Setting the Captives Free turns to Rule Two of the Discernment of Spirits. Fr. Timothy Gallagher explains how the spiritual dynamics change when a person is sincerely striving to turn away from sin and grow in the service of God.

Fr. Gallagher begins by recalling the contrast with Rule One. When a person is moving away from God, the enemy works to facilitate that movement. When a person’s life changes direction and begins to move toward God, the two spirits act in the opposite way. The enemy now works to hinder growth. The good spirit works to support it.

St. Ignatius describes this person as one who is “intensely purifying” life from sin and rising from good to better in the service of God. This includes concrete changes. Sin is resisted. Prayer becomes more faithful. Participation in the sacraments deepens. Love is expressed more intentionally in family life, work, and parish involvement. This is the ordinary path of growth for someone who desires God sincerely.

Fr. Gallagher explains that in this situation the enemy seeks to disturb the heart. Ignatius names four tactics. The enemy bites and troubles the soul. He brings a heaviness that steals peace. He places obstacles that make growth seem too difficult. He disquiets the mind with false reasoning that drains courage and clarity.

Through vivid examples, Fr. Gallagher shows how these tactics appear in daily life. A person may feel sadness without knowing why. Prayer may suddenly feel dry. Discouraging thoughts may arise just as a new spiritual practice is about to begin. These experiences are not signs of failure. They are signs of opposition.

At the same time, the good spirit acts powerfully and creatively. The good spirit gives courage and strength. Consolation is offered. Tears may arise. Inspirations clarify the next step. Obstacles are quietly eased and removed. God strengthens the heart in ways that are often gentle and unexpected.

Fr. Gallagher illustrates this through simple moments. A word heard at Mass. A smile offered at the right time. A remembered sign of God’s care. A child’s embrace. These moments restore courage and renew peace. They allow the person to continue forward in doing good.

Episode Four shows why struggle often accompanies growth. God allows trials because they become moments of decision. When resisted with grace, they lead to deeper strength and lasting spiritual maturity. Discernment makes these moments intelligible and hope-filled.

This episode offers a clear and hope-filled understanding of Rule Two. It helps listeners recognize both the enemy’s discouragement and the quiet, steady action of grace that carries the heart forward.

When you have tried to grow closer to God, have you noticed new forms of discouragement arise?

Can you recognize moments when peace or joy seemed to fade without an obvious reason?

What obstacles tend to appear when you begin new spiritual practices?

Where have you experienced quiet encouragement or strength that helped you continue?

How does understanding Rule Two change the way you interpret spiritual struggle?

Why does Ignatius describe Rule Two as the opposite of Rule One?

How do the enemy’s tactics in Rule Two differ from those in Rule One?

Why is discouragement such an effective way to hinder spiritual growth?

How do the examples in this episode show God’s action in ordinary life?

How can this rule help parish communities support those who are growing in faith?

 The 14 Rules for Discerning Spirits –

Father Timothy M. Gallagher, O.M.V., was ordained in 1979 as a member of the Oblates of the Virgin Mary, a religious community dedicated to retreats and spiritual formation according to the Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius.  Fr. Gallagher is featured on the EWTN series “Living the Discerning Life:  The Spiritual Teachings of St. Ignatius of Loyola”. 

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Episode 5 -The Third Rule:

Of Spiritual Consolation. I call it consolation when some interior movement in the soul is caused, through which the soul comes to be inflamed with love of its Creator and Lord; and when it can in consequence love no created thing on the face of the earth in itself, but in the Creator of them all.

Likewise, when it sheds tears that move to love of its Lord, whether out of sorrow for one’s sins, or for the Passion of Christ our Lord, or because of other things directly connected with His service and praise.

Finally, I call consolation every increase of hope, faith and charity, and all interior joy which calls and attracts to heavenly things and to the salvation of one’s soul, quieting it and giving it peace in its Creator and Lord.

Episode Five of The Discernment of Spirits: Setting the Captives Free turns to Rule Three, which addresses the experience St. Ignatius of Loyola calls spiritual consolation. Fr. Timothy Gallagher, in conversation with Kris McGregor, explains how Ignatius describes consolation through lived spiritual experience rather than abstract definition.

Fr. Gallagher begins by reading Ignatius’s text, which describes consolation as an interior movement that inflames the heart with love for its Creator and Lord. This love brings peace. It draws the soul toward heavenly things. It quiets the heart in God. Ignatius lists concrete signs of this grace, including tears, joy, and an increase of faith, hope, and charity.

To help listeners recognize these experiences, Fr. Gallagher shares vivid examples. He reflects on the spiritual journals of Raïssa Maritain, whose prayer reveals tenderness, nearness, and deep joy in God. He also points to moments in Scripture, such as Peter’s encounter with Christ in the boat, where the heart is gently warmed and drawn closer to the Lord.

Fr. Gallagher explains that spiritual consolation can vary greatly. It may be gentle or intense. It may last only a moment or remain for a longer season. Tears may come quietly or with great force. What remains constant is the fruit. Consolation strengthens the soul. It gives peace. It draws the heart toward God and the things of salvation.

The episode also clarifies an important distinction. Ignatius speaks specifically of spiritual consolation. This differs from healthy non-spiritual consolation, such as rest, beauty, friendship, or accomplishment. These natural joys are gifts from God. Yet they are not, in themselves, the basis for discernment. Discernment concerns the spiritual movements that draw the soul into deeper relationship with God.

At the same time, Fr. Gallagher shows how God often uses non-spiritual consolation as the place where spiritual consolation arises. He reflects on the experience of St. Thérèse of Lisieux, whose delight in a simple scene of nature became the doorway to a profound awareness of God’s faithful and protecting love throughout her life.

Episode Five helps listeners learn to recognize spiritual consolation when God gives it. It teaches how to name these experiences. It clarifies their meaning. Most importantly, it shows that the proper response to consolation is simple. It is to receive it with gratitude and allow it to strengthen the heart for the journey ahead.

Can you recall moments when your heart felt gently warmed or lifted in prayer?

How do you recognize peace that comes from God rather than from circumstances?

Have you experienced consolation that was brief but left a lasting effect?

What signs help you distinguish spiritual consolation from natural enjoyment?

How do times of consolation strengthen you for moments of difficulty?

Why does Ignatius describe consolation through examples rather than a strict definition?

How do the examples shared in this episode help clarify Rule Three?

Why is peace such an important sign of spiritual consolation?

How can non-spiritual consolation become a doorway to spiritual grace?

What is the proper response to consolation according to Ignatian discernment?

 The 14 Rules for Discerning Spirits –

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Episode 6 -The Fourth Rule:

Of Spiritual Desolation. I call desolation all the contrary of the third rule, such as darkness of soul, disturbance in it, movement to things low and earthly, the unquiet of different agitations and temptations, moving to want of confidence, without hope, without love, when one finds oneself all lazy, tepid, sad, and as if separated from his Creator and Lord.

Because, as consolation is contrary to desolation, in the same way the thoughts which come from consolation are contrary to the thoughts which come from desolation.

Episode Six of The Discernment of Spirits: Setting the Captives Free turns to Rule Four, which addresses the experience St. Ignatius of Loyola calls spiritual desolation. Fr. Timothy Gallagher, in conversation with Kris McGregor, explains why this rule is one of the most valuable and practical teachings in Ignatian discernment.

Fr. Gallagher begins by naming spiritual desolation as the direct opposite of spiritual consolation. Where consolation lifts the heart, desolation weighs it down. Ignatius describes it through lived experience rather than abstract definition. Spiritual desolation includes darkness of soul, interior disturbance, confusion, sadness, and a loss of confidence, hope, and love. The heart feels heavy. God feels distant. Prayer feels empty.

To make this concrete, Fr. Gallagher shares the story of Alice. She is a woman who loves the Lord and has served faithfully in her parish for years. After moving to a new town, she struggles to connect in her new parish. Over time, discouragement grows. In prayer, she feels abandoned by God. Though she remains faithful, everything feels hopeless and meaningless. This lived experience captures what Ignatius means by spiritual desolation.

Fr. Gallagher carefully distinguishes spiritual desolation from non-spiritual desolation. Non-spiritual desolation may arise from physical exhaustion, emotional strain, anxiety, or depression. These experiences are part of ordinary human life. Yet Ignatius warns that when non-spiritual desolation becomes excessive or prolonged, it easily spills into the spiritual life. Fatigue, imbalance, and emotional heaviness can weaken prayer and openness to grace.

Because of this, Fr. Gallagher stresses the importance of wise care for the whole person. Attention to rest, balance, and physical well-being often resolves struggles that appear spiritual. He recalls the wisdom of St. Teresa of Avila, who once advised a sister struggling in prayer to sleep more. Caring for the human dimension strengthens the spiritual life.

Ignatius then describes the specific signs of spiritual desolation. These include confusion, anxiety, a pull toward lower and earthly distractions, and a desire to abandon prayer and spiritual practices. Activities once loved become burdensome. The heart feels slothful, tepid, and sad. Above all, the person feels as if separated from God. Fr. Gallagher highlights Ignatius’s careful wording. God is not absent. The feeling of abandonment is real, but it is not true.

This sense of isolation is the deepest lie of spiritual desolation. The enemy seeks to convince the heart that it is alone and powerless. Fr. Gallagher explains that recognizing this lie is the beginning of freedom. No saint has been spared from such experiences. Growth comes not from avoiding desolation, but from understanding it and responding wisely.

Fr. Gallagher clarifies an important distinction. Spiritual desolation is not the same as the dark night described by St. John of the Cross. The dark night is a purifying work of God in prayer and must be accepted with trust. Spiritual desolation, by contrast, is always a work of the enemy. God never gives spiritual desolation. He permits it. Therefore, the correct response is always to reject it.

The episode concludes by returning to Ignatius’s central teaching. The thoughts that arise in consolation and desolation are always contrary. When discouraging thoughts arise in desolation, they must not be trusted. When they are recognized and rejected, the heart regains freedom. Discernment restores hope. Captives are set free.

Can you recognize times when discouragement affected your prayer or desire to serve?

How do you experience heaviness of heart in your relationship with God?

Are there non-spiritual factors that may influence your spiritual life right now?

Have you noticed a pull toward distractions during difficult moments of prayer?

How does knowing that desolation is a lie change the way you respond to it?

Why does Ignatius consider teaching on spiritual desolation so important?

How does the story of Alice help clarify Rule Four?

Why is it important to distinguish spiritual from non-spiritual desolation?

What dangers arise when decisions are made during times of desolation?

How does this rule bring hope to those facing discouragement in parish life?

 The 14 Rules for Discerning Spirits –

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Father Timothy M. Gallagher, O.M.V., was ordained in 1979 as a member of the Oblates of the Virgin Mary, a religious community dedicated to retreats and spiritual formation according to the Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius.  Fr. Gallagher is featured on the EWTN series “Living the Discerning Life:  The Spiritual Teachings of St. Ignatius of Loyola”

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Episode 7 -The Fifth Rule:

Episode Seven of The Discernment of Spirits: Setting the Captives Free focuses on Rule Five, one of the most decisive and practical rules in Ignatian discernment. Fr. Timothy Gallagher, in conversation with Kris McGregor, explains why this rule has the power to protect the spiritual life over an entire lifetime.

Rule Five is direct and uncompromising. In time of spiritual desolation, never make a change. The rule applies to any spiritual proposal that was in place before the desolation began. Prayer commitments. Retreat plans. Parish involvement. Spiritual direction. Even major vocational decisions. When desolation is present, change must wait.

Fr. Gallagher explains why Ignatius insists on this rule without exception. In spiritual consolation, the good spirit guides and counsels. In spiritual desolation, it is the enemy who guides and counsels. The thoughts that arise during desolation may feel convincing. They may sound reasonable. Yet they do not lead to clarity or peace. They lead away from it.

Through concrete examples, Fr. Gallagher shows how Rule Five works in daily life. A person feels heaviness in prayer and considers canceling a meeting with a pastor. Another feels discouraged and wants to abandon a retreat planned months earlier. In each case, the questions are the same. Am I in a time of spiritual desolation? Am I considering changing something that was decided before the desolation began? When the answer to both is yes, the response is firm. Do not change.

The episode carefully distinguishes spiritual desolation from non-spiritual desolation. Physical exhaustion, anxiety, or emotional strain may require practical changes, such as rest or balance. Yet even here, Ignatius’s wisdom often applies. Many discouraging thoughts still arise from desolation and must be resisted, not obeyed.

Fr. Gallagher explains that Rule Five does not mean changes are never made. Changes may be considered in times of peace, tranquility, or spiritual consolation. They must be made prayerfully and wisely. What Ignatius forbids is change during desolation, when judgment is clouded and discouragement distorts reality.

To illuminate the rule, Fr. Gallagher draws on an image from J. R. R. Tolkien. He recalls the scene in which Frodo receives a small light with the words, “This will be a light when all other lights go out.” Rule Five serves the same purpose. When darkness presses in and everything urges change, this rule becomes a steady light that preserves freedom.

Fr. Gallagher concludes by returning to Ignatius himself. Even at the height of his sanctity, Ignatius experienced profound spiritual desolation. Thoughts arose urging him to abandon plans already discerned. Because he recognized desolation and remained firm, clarity returned. The discernment was completed. Peace followed.

Episode Seven presents Rule Five as a lifelong companion. It is a rule that saves the heart from confusion. It protects decisions made in grace. It becomes a steady guide when all other lights seem to fail.

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Can you recall moments when discouragement urged you to abandon a spiritual commitment?

How do you recognize heaviness of heart in your own experience of prayer?

What spiritual proposals were in place in your life before recent struggles began?

How does knowing Rule Five change the way you interpret discouraging thoughts?

Where might firmness and fidelity bring freedom rather than rigidity?

Why does Ignatius insist that Rule Five admits no exceptions?

How do the examples in this episode help clarify the danger of change in desolation?

Why do discouraging thoughts often feel convincing during desolation?

How does the Tolkien image help illuminate the purpose of Rule Five?

How might this rule protect parish communities and leaders from burnout or retreat?

 The 14 Rules for Discerning Spirits –

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Episode 8 -The Sixth Rule:

Although in desolation we ought not to change our first resolutions, it is very helpful intensely to change ourselves against the same desolation, as by insisting more on prayer, meditation, on much examination, and by giving ourselves more scope in some suitable way of doing penance.

Episode Eight of The Discernment of Spirits: Setting the Captives Free focuses on Rule Six, one of the most hope-filled teachings in Ignatian discernment. Fr. Timothy Gallagher, in conversation with Kris McGregor, explains why God never asks us to passively endure spiritual desolation.

Fr. Gallagher begins by naming a common misunderstanding. Many faithful people believe that God asks them to simply carry spiritual heaviness as a permanent burden. They remain faithful. They continue to pray. Yet they assume joy in the Lord belongs only to the past or to eternal life. Rule Six directly challenges this belief. Spiritual desolation is never meant to be carried passively. It is meant to be resisted.

Ignatius teaches that while we do not change our spiritual commitments during desolation, we must change ourselves intensely against the desolation itself. This resistance is not aggressive or anxious. It is hopeful and active. Ignatius gives four concrete means for doing this. They are prayer, meditation, much examination, and suitable gestures of penitential courage.

Fr. Gallagher explains that prayer in desolation means simple petition. It is the act of turning toward God when everything feels heavy. Even the smallest prayer matters. A simple “Lord, help me” can begin to lift the heart. This turning toward God often weakens the power of desolation immediately.

Meditation follows prayer. In desolation, Ignatius invites us to recall the truths of faith that assure us of God’s faithful presence. Scripture becomes especially powerful here. Verses remembered from the Psalms or the Gospels remind the heart that God is present even in darkness. Fr. Gallagher shares personal examples of recalling God’s fidelity in past trials as a way of sustaining hope in present struggle.

The third means is what Ignatius calls much examination. Rather than fleeing into distraction, we stop and look at what is happening. Fr. Gallagher shows how examination often reveals when and how the desolation began. A conversation. A remark. A moment of neglect. Understanding brings freedom. It allows concrete and healing action to be taken.

Ignatius then calls for suitable gestures of penitential courage. These are small acts of resistance. They are never excessive. They are always possible. Waiting a few minutes before turning to distraction. Completing a prayer even when it feels difficult. Offering a small act of service when there is no inclination to do so. These gestures break the momentum of desolation.

Fr. Gallagher stresses that these practices do not deepen desolation. They weaken it. When prayer, meditation, examination, and small acts of courage are practiced, desolation loses its grip. It passes more quickly. Freedom returns. Hope is restored.

Episode Eight presents Rule Six as a true spirituality of hope. It teaches that desolation is not a life sentence. With grace and spiritual wisdom, it can be resisted. Captives are set free.

Have you ever assumed that spiritual heaviness was something God wanted you to endure passively?

How do you usually respond when prayer feels difficult or empty?

What Scriptures or memories of God’s fidelity strengthen you during hard moments?

Are you willing to pause and examine what may have triggered discouragement?

What small act of courage might help you resist desolation today?

Why does Ignatius insist that spiritual desolation must always be resisted?

How do the four means of Rule Six work together?

Why is simple prayer so powerful in times of desolation?

How does examination restore clarity and freedom?

How might small gestures of courage change the spiritual life of a parish or community?

 The 14 Rules for Discerning Spirits –

Father Timothy M. Gallagher, O.M.V., was ordained in 1979 as a member of the Oblates of the Virgin Mary, a religious community dedicated to retreats and spiritual formation according to the Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius.  Fr. Gallagher is featured on the EWTN series “Living the Discerning Life:  The Spiritual Teachings of St. Ignatius of Loyola”

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Episode 9 -The Seventh Rule:

Let him who is in desolation consider how the Lord has left him in trial in his natural powers, in order to resist the different agitations and temptations of the enemy; since he can with the Divine help, which always remains to him, though he does not clearly perceive it: because the Lord has taken from him his great fervor, great love and intense grace, leaving him, however, grace enough for eternal salvation.

Episode Nine of The Discernment of Spirits: Setting the Captives Free focuses on Rule Seven, which teaches how to endure spiritual desolation with trust, courage, and faith. Fr. Timothy Gallagher, in conversation with Kris McGregor, explains why this rule transforms desolation from a meaningless burden into a moment of spiritual growth.

Fr. Gallagher begins by describing a familiar experience. Prayer feels dry. Energy for spiritual things is low. Commitments that once brought joy now feel heavy. Without understanding, these moments seem pointless and exhausting. Rule Seven changes everything by revealing the meaning of desolation within God’s loving providence.

Ignatius invites the person in desolation to consider. This is a conscious act. The desolation is a trial permitted by God. It is not random. It is not abandonment. When the heart understands this, the burden becomes lighter. Suffering gains meaning. Endurance becomes possible.

To illuminate this truth, Fr. Gallagher turns to the life of Blessed Angela of Foligno. During a prolonged period of desolation, Angela felt abandoned by God. She could not pray. She could not praise God. Yet beneath the desolation, something remained untouched. Her firm resolve never to consent to sin endured. Grace was at work on a level deeper than feeling.

Fr. Gallagher explains that this is the heart of Rule Seven. In desolation, spiritual consolation may be taken away. Fervor may fade. Warmth may disappear. Yet God never withdraws the grace needed for salvation. Divine help always remains, even when it cannot be felt.

Ignatius teaches that desolation is permitted so the person may learn to resist it. Resistance strengthens the soul. Each time discouragement is resisted, spiritual capacity grows. Over time, the heart becomes rooted. Stability develops. A quiet strength forms that nothing can easily shake.

Fr. Gallagher shares personal experiences of encountering deeply peaceful and grounded individuals. These are often people who have passed through many trials. Their serenity is not accidental. It is the fruit of resisting desolation again and again with God’s help.

A recurring lie of desolation is the voice that says, “I can’t.” I can’t pray. I can’t persevere. I can’t continue. Rule Seven exposes this lie. Even when consolation is absent, sufficient grace remains. The heart can continue. Fidelity is possible. Love can still be chosen.

The episode also clarifies an important distinction. On the non-spiritual level, exhaustion or emotional strain may truly require rest. On the spiritual level, desolation never removes the grace needed to remain faithful. Recognizing this difference restores courage and confidence.

Episode Nine presents Rule Seven as a powerful source of hope. Desolation is never empty time. God is always at work. Grace is always present. When these truths are recalled in the moment of trial, trust grows. The heart is strengthened. Captives are set free.

Have you experienced times when prayer felt dry or burdensome?

How do you usually interpret spiritual heaviness when it arises?

Can you recall moments when you continued faithfully despite feeling empty?

What helps you remember that God’s grace remains even when it is not felt?

How does Rule Seven change your understanding of perseverance?

Why does Ignatius ask the person in desolation to consider specific truths?

How does the story of Blessed Angela help clarify Rule Seven?

What does it mean to say that desolation is a trial permitted by God?

How does resisting desolation strengthen the spiritual life over time?

How can this rule help parish leaders support others in discouragement?

 The 14 Rules for Discerning Spirits –

Father Timothy M. Gallagher, O.M.V., was ordained in 1979 as a member of the Oblates of the Virgin Mary, a religious community dedicated to retreats and spiritual formation according to the Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius.  Fr. Gallagher is featured on the EWTN series “Living the Discerning Life:  The Spiritual Teachings of St. Ignatius of Loyola”

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