Dan Johnson sits down with Drew Moser, who visited Upper House last month. They talk about on Drew's passion area, the Enneagram personality typology, and how deeper understandings of personality types can lead to stronger relationships and fuller lives. 

Drew Moser, Ph.D., is a certified enneagram teacher, a professional member of the International Enneagram Association, and Dean of Student Engagement and Professor of Higher Education at Taylor University. Drew's most recent book is The Enneagram of Discernment: The Way of Vocation, Wisdom, and Practice. His work on the Enneagram can be found at Type Trail, and Drew co-hosts his own podcast called Fathoms.

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Credits: music by Micah Behr, audio engineering by Andy Johnson, graphic design by Madeline Ramsey.