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Distory with Kate & Kirk
By Kate (Disney Cicerone) & Kirk (Walrus Carp)History
Distory with Kate & Kirk episodes
- 196. Solving The Mystery of Pirates of the Caribbean's Dead Man’s Cove - Pirates of the Caribbean Part 8
This beach is a crime scene… but thanks to Marc Davis, we have enough evidence to solve the crime.
On this episode of Distory with Kate & Kirk, we slide down into the ghostly grotto to explore Dead Man's Cove and Hurricane scenes in depth. Along the way, we take the microscope to the history of this iconic scene to explain what actually happened to the pirates, identify some sea critters and plant life, and explore the creative process that brought us to the final version using rare Imagineering documents, concept art, and never-used (but recorded) audio tracks.
Kate checked out Marc Davis’s 1951 library books to identify a source of inspiration, Kirk takes us on a journey through shipwrecks and crabs, and we both have some questions about what ACTUALLY happened to the real human remains from 1967 after they left the attraction… including some evidence that a story commonly told may not be entirely true.
Join us LIVE on YouTube every week! Be notified by subscribing to Kate’s YouTube: @disneycicerone
You can also find us on Instagram, Facebook, and TikTok at disneycicerone.com & walruscarp.com
View full video versions of each episode at Disney Cicerone's YouTube channel HERE OR on the Spotify version of our podcast.
Many thanks to Disney historian Joshua at E82 | The Epcot Legacy for contributing resources for this episode!
Kate’s Books
WalrusCarp T-shirts & Merch
MOWD app
Distory T-shirts and Stickers
Kate’s Substack
1 hr 15 min - 195. Disney History Everyone Gets Wrong - Distory Nite Shift
Disney people are storytellers… but sometimes they get the story wrong.
On this episode of Distory Nite Shift, we walk through some popular myths in Disney history, including what Walt actually said about Disneyland’s museum status, the origins of Walt Disney World’s (theoretical) weather-controlling dome, and a resident of the Haunted Mansion who isn’t who everyone thinks he is. We also discuss the new addition to the Pirates of the Caribbean treasure room, some oddities in the bayou, and speculate about what is happening with Disney World’s transportation.
We end the evening with a popular debate in Disney history: Should attractions in the Disney parks have screen credits for the Imagineers who brought them to life?
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John Hench’s Psychological Interpretation of Disneyland:
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Distory Nite Shift is a new addition to the Distory Podcast! 🌙
Nite Shift is a conversation between two Disney historians who have a combined 55 years of Disney history knowledge. The “after-show” of Distory with Kate & Kirk, this late-nite conversation for Disney history lovers is hosted by Kate the Disney Cicerone and Joshua of E82 | The Epcot Legacy.
Distory Nite Shift is broadcast every other week, opposite of Distory with Kate & Kirk.
Join us LIVE on YouTube every week for Distory! Be notified by subscribing to Kate’s Youtube: @disneycicerone
You can also find us on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter X, and also at disneycicerone.com & epcotlegacy.com
View full video versions of each episode at Disney Cicerone's YouTube channel HERE OR on the Spotify version of our podcast.
Joshua’s resources:
E82 | The Epcot Legacy
JLH OmniMedia
Kate’s resources:
Kate’s Books
Kate’s Substack
Show Merch
Distory T-shirts and Stickers
Kirk’s app
MOWD app
1 hr 37 min - 194. Mysteries of the Pirates of the Caribbean Bayou: The Stories Everyone Misses - Pirates of the Caribbean Part 7
What happened to the fireflies in Pirates of the Caribbean? Has the old man always lived in the bayou? And who is Charles T., anyway?
On this episode of Distory with Kate & Kirk, we enter the doors of Disneyland’s Pirates of the Caribbean and head into the bayou to find some lost history of this iconic attraction.
Along the way, we discover the origins (and changes) of the buried treasure tableaux, examine the details and history of the load area, and find some unsolved mysteries as we float deeper into the bayou. Kirk shares some fascinating history of Louisiana’s swamp people, Kate explains the origins of fireflies and “Cajun Joe,” and we both listen in awe to some rare audio from Walt Disney Imagineering.
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Jean Lafitte research by Long Forgotten Haunted Mansion Blog
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Join us LIVE on YouTube every week! Be notified by subscribing to Kate’s Youtube: @disneycicerone
You can also find us on Instagram, Facebook, and TikTok at disneycicerone.com & walruscarp.com
View full video versions of each episode at Disney Cicerone's YouTube channel HERE OR on the Spotify version of our podcast.
Many thanks to Disney historian Joshua at E82 | The Epcot Legacy for contributing resources for this episode!
Kate’s Books
WalrusCarp T-shirts & Merch
MOWD app
Distory T-shirts and Stickers
Kate’s Substack
1 hr 23 min - 193. Which shaped Disney history more: Pirates of the Caribbean or the Haunted Mansion? - Distory Nite Shift
Which Disney attraction had the greatest impact over time, Pirates of the Caribbean or the Haunted Mansion?
On this week’s episode of Distory Nite Shift, we meet our newest addition to our Distory co-host team before diving into the design philosophy and creation of Pirates of the Caribbean and New Orleans Square, all leading to a question that has sparked debate among Disney history fans for decades:
Which attraction has had the greater influence on Disney history: Pirates of the Caribbean or Haunted Mansion?
Along the way, we take some rabbit trails exploring some character design and attraction facades, before discussing if kinetic motion is important in the Disney parks and having a conversation about Disney inclusive spaces. Joshua teaches us about the design of Epcot’s “crystals,” Kate shares Walt’s heart about giving the public a fair deal, and we are both surprised by where our Pirate Vs. Haunted Mansion debate ends up in the end, given all the evidence presented.
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Distory Nite Shift is a new addition to the Distory Podcast! 🌙
Nite Shift is a conversation between two Disney historians who have a combined 55 years of Disney history knowledge. The “after-show” of Distory with Kate & Kirk, this late-nite conversation for Disney history lovers is hosted by Kate the Disney Cicerone and Joshua of E82 | The Epcot Legacy.
Distory Nite Shift is broadcast every other week, opposite of Distory with Kate & Kirk.
Join us LIVE on YouTube every week for Distory! Be notified by subscribing to Kate’s Youtube: @disneycicerone
You can also find us on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter X, and also at disneycicerone.com & epcotlegacy.com
View full video versions of each episode at Disney Cicerone's YouTube channel HERE OR on the Spotify version of our podcast.
Joshua’s resources:
E82 | The Epcot Legacy
JLH OmniMedia
Kate’s resources:
Kate’s Books
Kate’s Substack
Show Merch
Distory T-shirts and Stickers
Kirk’s app
MOWD app
1 hr 25 min - 192. Secrets of Disneyland’s Pirates of the Caribbean Queue: The Details Everyone Misses While Waiting in Line
What storytelling do most people miss in the Pirates of the Caribbean queue while they are waiting in line? And what bizarre detail dates back to Disneyland’s opening day?
On this episode of Distory with Kate & Kirk, we examine the history of the exterior facade and queue for Disneyland’s iconic Pirates of the Caribbean attraction. Along the way, we find some history that most people overlook, like an odd old tree with some history, a mysterious anchor, and a sign of welcome in plain sight. Kirk gives us a botanical tour of the plants in the queue, Kate points out some features of New Orleans Square that have a hidden meaning, and we both question the effectiveness of the flyover bridge.
As we discover architectural concepts and original Imagineering documents throughout this episode, we discover that this exterior queue has so many fascinating details you’ll (almost) get excited to stand in line for this classic Disney ride.
Join us LIVE on YouTube every week! Be notified by subscribing to Kate’s Youtube: @disneycicerone
You can also find us on Instagram, Facebook, and at disneycicerone.com & walruscarp.com
View full video versions of each episode at Disney Cicerone's YouTube channel HERE OR on the Spotify version of our podcast.
Many thanks to Disney historian Joshua at E82 | The Epcot Legacy for contributing resources for this episode!
Kate’s Books
WalrusCarp T-shirts & Merch
MOWD app
Distory T-shirts and Stickers
Kate’s Substack
1 hr 35 min - 191. The WILDEST Pirates of the Caribbean Stories: Imagineering the Characters, Script, & Song - Pirates of the Caribbean Part 5
What character in Pirates of the Caribbean is secretly a tribute to an Imagineer's friend? And what inspired the iconic song Yo Ho (A Pirate's Life for Me)?
On this episode of Distory with Kate & Kirk, we watch the creative process unfold as the figures in Pirates of the Caribbean are shaped, dressed, and animated to create life-like scenes in this iconic attraction.
Along the way, we hear some hilarious stories from Alice Davis, discover how Blaine Gibson began his sculpting career at WED, and take a closer look at the 119 audio animatronic figures and 54 animals. We also learn some secrets about Yo Ho (A Pirate’s Life for Me) and X. Atencio’s script-writing process, before pausing just before opening day and contemplating how grief can disrupt the creative process as the Imagineers hit a creative roadblock after losing Walt Disney.
Join us LIVE on YouTube every week! Be notified by subscribing to Kate’s Youtube: @disneycicerone
You can also find us on Instagram, Facebook, and at disneycicerone.com & walruscarp.com
View full video versions of each episode at Disney Cicerone's YouTube channel HERE OR on the Spotify version of our podcast.
Many thanks to Disney historian Joshua at E82 | The Epcot Legacy for contributing resources for this episode!
Kate’s Books
WalrusCarp T-shirts & Merch
MOWD app
Distory T-shirts and Stickers
Kate’s Substack
1 hr 8 min - 190. Designing Pirates of the Caribbean: Exploring Imagineering’s Models, Mockups, & Construction - Pirates of the Caribbean Part 4
What changed from Disney's original model to the final attraction? And what critical piece of Pirate culture was altered in those changes?
On this episode of Distory with Kate & Kirk, we explore the fascinating creation process of Disneyland’s Pirates of the Caribbean. Along the way, we hear from Arrow Dynamics about their bateaux design, visit the original model to see some significant changes to the show, and have a cocktail party at the WED mock-up version. We end this episode walking through the construction site of this iconic attraction, seeing the true scale and setup of these incredible show buildings.
Join us LIVE on YouTube every week! Be notified by subscribing to Kate’s YouTube: @disneycicerone
You can also find us on Instagram, Facebook, and at disneycicerone.com & walruscarp.com
View full video versions of each episode at Disney Cicerone's YouTube channel HERE OR on the Spotify version of our podcast.
Many thanks to Disney historian Joshua at E82 | The Epcot Legacy for contributing resources for this episode!
Kate’s Books
WalrusCarp T-shirts & Merch
MOWD app
Distory T-shirts and Stickers
Kate’s Substack
1 hr 23 min - 189. Disney's Pirate Wax Museum: From the Rogues Gallery to the Pirates of the Caribbean - Pirates of the Caribbean Part 3
How did a small wax museum tucked under the Blue Bayou Mart evolve into one of Disney’s most iconic rides?
On this episode of Distory with Kate & Kirk, we set sail for adventure as we uncover the fascinating origins of Disney’s Pirates of the Caribbean. Beginning before Disneyland even opened and continuing throughout the 1950s and 60s, we explore rare early concepts for the Rogues Gallery Wax Museum and the many artists who helped shape the project. After stepping through Claude Coats’ atmospheric interpretation of a pirate adventure, we then dive into Marc Davis’ research, artwork, and storytelling process as the Rogues Gallery slowly transformed into Pirates of the Caribbean.
Along the way, we encounter some dastardly pirates, discover unused ideas for pirate scenes, learn where “pirate speak” originated, and uncover who the fiercest pirates of all were before they were ultimately cut from the attraction.
Join us LIVE on YouTube every week! Be notified by subscribing to Kate’s YouTube: @disneycicerone
You can also find us on Instagram, Facebook, and at disneycicerone.com & walruscarp.com
View full video versions of each episode at Disney Cicerone's YouTube channel HERE OR on the Spotify version of our podcast.
Many thanks to Disney historian Joshua at E82 | The Epcot Legacy for contributing resources for this episode!
Distory Merch
Kate’s Books
WalrusCarp T-shirts & Merch
MOWD app
Distory T-shirts and Stickers
Kate’s Substack
1 hr 35 min - 188. A Walk Through 1966 New Orleans Square: The Shops, Restaurants, and Lost History - Pirates of the Caribbean Part 2
Have you ever wished you could go back to 1966 and wander the original streets, shops, and restaurants of Walt Disney’s New Orleans Square?
On this episode of Distory with Kate & Kirk, we continue our new Pirates of the Caribbean series with a visit to a nostalgic version of New Orleans Square in Disneyland. Along the way, we take a historical walking tour through the quaint shops and fabulous restaurants that defined this exquisite corner of the park.
As we explore its winding streets and intimate courtyards, we share rare stories, Kirk explains the history of beignets, Kate passes out mint juleps and gives some cast member accounts of what this area was like to work in, and we are both horrified by the realities of the duck press. We also highlight historical Disney documents, uncover some long-lost history, and even make a connection to the development of the nearby Haunted Mansion attraction (which has long been overlooked).
Join us LIVE on YouTube every week! Be notified by subscribing to Kate’s Youtube: @disneycicerone
You can also find us on Instagram, Facebook, and at disneycicerone.com & walruscarp.com
View full video versions of each episode at Disney Cicerone's YouTube channel HERE OR on the Spotify version of our podcast.
Many thanks to Disney historian Joshua at E82 | The Epcot Legacy for contributing resources for this episode!
Kate’s Books
WalrusCarp T-shirts & Merch
MOWD app
Distory T-shirts and Stickers
Kate’s Substack
1 hr 42 min - 187. The Creation of New Orleans Square: Was it Really Walt's Idea? - Pirates of the Caribbean Part 1
New Orleans Square is a unique feature of Disneyland… but was it originally Walt Disney’s idea?
On this episode of Distory with Kate & Kirk, we begin our new Pirates of the Caribbean series with a visit to Walt Disney’s original 1966 New Orleans Square in Disneyland. Along the way, we take a historical walking tour through Imagineering’s early concepts, design, and the evolution of this exquisite land.
As we explore its winding streets and intimate courtyards, we share rare stories, highlight historical Disney documents, and visit the unique features and characters that helped define this beautiful corner of the park.
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Imagineer John Hench's Psychological Interpretation of Disneyland
Join us LIVE on YouTube every week! Be notified by subscribing to Kate’s Youtube: @disneycicerone
You can also find us on Instagram, Facebook, and at disneycicerone.com & walruscarp.com
View full video versions of each episode at Disney Cicerone's YouTube channel HERE OR on the Spotify version of our podcast.
Many thanks to Disney historian Joshua at E82 | The Epcot Legacy for contributing resources for this episode!
Kate’s Books
WalrusCarp T-shirts & Merch
MOWD app
Distory T-shirts and Stickers
Kate’s Substack
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Exploring the history of the Disney Parks (with a dash of the ridiculous!), Distory with Kate and Kirk is an adventure into the fascinatingly obscure details that have made the Disney parks what they…
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