Divergent Dialogues

⚠️ Content Warning: This podcast episode discusses domestic and sexual violence against autistic people. It includes references to abuse, trauma, and systemic harm. Please prioritise your wellbeing — feel free to pause, skip sections, or step away at any time.

In this deeply insightful episode of Divergent Dialogues, we sit down with Jessica Fox, an Autistic doctoral researcher, to explore the intersecting experiences of Autistic women, domestic violence, sexual violence and trauma. Together with Caitlin and Teena, Jessica unpacks the prevalence of interpersonal violence, the impact of systemic failures, and the barriers Autistic individuals face when navigating social expectations and accessing support. Drawing from both lived experience and academic research, the conversation moves through themes of social isolation, gender oppression, neuroaffirming practice, and the triple empathy problem. We also discuss the power of community, the importance of autistic representation in research, and the need to centre consent and mutual understanding in therapeutic and relational contexts.

Whether you're a professional, lived experience advocate, or community member, this episode is an essential listen for anyone working toward justice, safety, and equity for Neurodivergent women.

Topics Covered:

• High rates of domestic and sexual violence among Autistic women
• Social masking, boundary challenges, and consent complexities
• Systemic and structural risk factors
• The value of neuroaffirming and feminist approaches

Jess is an autistic doctoral researcher at the Queensland University of Technology and a strong advocate for the human rights and wellbeing of autistic people. Jess is particularly passionate about autistic-led research and community building. Jess is an interdisciplinary researcher who is currently studying autistic women’s experiences of interpersonal violence and trauma. Before undertaking her PhD, Jess worked with autistic young people in school settings. Jess is also passionate about her work in supporting autistic adults through peer mentoring and mutual aid networks.

Links to Jess’s research touching on the topics discussed:

• Neuro-queering feminism: Creating space within feminism to address autistic experiences of gender oppression: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/09593535241306532
• The Impact of Intersectional Disadvantage on Autistic Women's Experiences of Interpersonal Violence: A Narrative Review: https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/10.1089/aut.2023.0100 – feel free to get in touch with Jess at [email protected] if you need access to this.

For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below:

Caitlin Hughes

• ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Cathartic Collaborations⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• ⁠⁠⁠The Ripple Framework of Neurodivergent Flourishing: Supervision Program ⁠⁠⁠
• Social media: @cathartic.collaborations

Teena Mogler

• ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Balance Centre for Mental Health⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• ⁠⁠⁠Livian Consulting⁠⁠⁠
• Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

In this episode, we (Caitlin and Teena) explore the importance of creating safe, collaborative spaces in therapy where neurodivergent clients feel truly seen and supported. We unpack common barriers people face when approaching therapy and share ways to prepare for a first session so it feels less daunting. Together, we highlight the power of client autonomy, the need for therapists to adapt with openness, and the value of mutual respect in the therapeutic process.

In this episode, we cover:

• The importance of client comfort and preparation in therapy
• Why a collaborative, flexible approach is key
• Respecting client autonomy and lived experience.

For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below:

Caitlin Hughes

• ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Cathartic Collaborations⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• ⁠⁠⁠The Ripple Framework of Neurodivergent Flourishing: Supervision Program ⁠⁠⁠
• Social media: @cathartic.collaborations

Teena Mogler

• ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Balance Centre for Mental Health⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• ⁠⁠⁠Livian Consulting⁠⁠⁠
• Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

In this episode, we sit down with Marni Kammersell, to explore alternative education models and how they support neurodivergent children. From forest schools to unschooling and self-directed learning, we discuss the importance of flexibility, autonomy, and embracing diverse learning preferences.

We also dive into the social benefits of gaming for neurodivergent individuals, reflecting on how video games can support regulation, connection, and skill development—when approached with balance and understanding. Finally, we explore parenting neurodivergent children, empowering autonomy and decision-making from an early age.

Topics covered:

• Forest schools & nature-based learning – Pros & considerations for neurodivergent kids
• Gaming & neurodivergence – How it fosters social connection & emotional regulation
• Homeschooling & unschooling – Self-directed education and why it works for some neurodivergent learners
• Empowering autonomy – Encouraging independence and self-advocacy in neurodivergent children

Marni Kammersell is a neurodivergent educator, consultant, and parent to three neurodivergent kids. She specializes in helping families create liberatory, neuro-affirming educational environments and is passionate about self-directed education, the neurodiversity paradigm, and non-coercive relationships. A doctoral student researching neurodivergence and self-directed learning, Marni has over 15 years of experience in alternative education, including homeschooling, unschooling, democratic schools, and forest schools.

Learn more about Marni’s work here:

• https://wanderingbrightly.com/

For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below:

Caitlin Hughes

• ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Cathartic Collaborations⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• ⁠⁠⁠The Ripple Framework of Neurodivergent Flourishing: Supervision Program ⁠⁠⁠
• Social media: @cathartic.collaborations

Teena Mogler

• ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Balance Centre for Mental Health⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• ⁠⁠⁠Livian Consulting⁠⁠⁠
• Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

In this deeply reflective conversation, Caitlin and Teena unpack the systemic barriers that autistic individuals and ADHDers often face when navigating mental health care and assessment pathways. Drawing from both lived experience and professional expertise, they explore the confusing, costly, and often invalidating processes involved in accessing support. The episode shines a light on the importance of neuro-affirming, autism-specific training for GPs and mental health professionals, and discusses how therapy environments can be better tailored to meet neurodivergent needs. It ends on a hopeful note, acknowledging the challenges of creating systemic change while affirming the power of small, individual actions toward a more inclusive, understanding society.

For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below:

Caitlin Hughes

• ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Cathartic Collaborations⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• ⁠⁠⁠The Ripple Framework of Neurodivergent Flourishing: Supervision Program ⁠⁠⁠
• Social media: @cathartic.collaborations

Teena Mogler

• ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Balance Centre for Mental Health⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• ⁠⁠⁠Livian Consulting⁠⁠⁠
• Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

In this episode of Divergent Dialogues, we sit down with Chris Payten, a 29-year-old entrepreneur with over a decade of experience in holistic health. From navigating a turbulent childhood to building his own business at just 17, Chris shares how his journey led him from personal training to breathwork, a practice that has transformed his mental health and now helps others.

Together with Caitlin and Teena, the conversation delves into the neurodivergent experience, exploring the challenges and strengths of ADHD and autism. We discuss the importance of self-acceptance, early diagnosis, and holistic therapy—considering both cognitive and physiological aspects of well-being. Chris also introduces the science behind conscious breathing, explaining how breathwork can regulate the nervous system and support neurodivergent minds.

We also unpack the complexities of neurodivergent relationships, communication styles, and executive function challenges. Chris offers insights into how breathwork can reduce stress, improve focus, and support emotional regulation. Plus, he generously provides access to his free breathwork course, available via the episode show notes.

Chris Payten is a 29-year-old entrepreneur with over a decade in Holistic Health. Overcoming a turbulent childhood, he has transformed thousands of lives through Personal Training, Nutrition, NLP, Hypnosis, and Breathwork. As co-founder of Infinity Training & Coaching, one of Australia's fastest-growing Breathwork Certification companies, he is on a mission to empower millions to achieve peak performance and purpose.

• Chris’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chrispayten_/Infinity
• Training & Coaching Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/infinitytrainingandcoaching/Infinity
• Training and Coaching Website: https://infinitytrainingandcoaching.com/home-9123

For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below:

Caitlin Hughes

• ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Cathartic Collaborations⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• ⁠⁠⁠The Ripple Framework of Neurodivergent Flourishing: Supervision Program ⁠⁠⁠
• Social media: @cathartic.collaborations

Teena Mogler

• ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Balance Centre for Mental Health⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• ⁠⁠⁠Livian Consulting⁠⁠⁠
• Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

How do hormones impact neurodivergent brains? In this episode of Divergent Dialogues, Caitlin and Teena dive into the intricate relationship between hormones, Autism, ADHD, and menstrual health. They explore how hormonal fluctuations affect mood, cognition, and sensory experiences for neurodivergent individuals. The duo also sheds light on PMDD (Premenstrual Dysphoric Disorder), advocating for greater research and awareness.

They also discuss medication management challenges related to hormonal cycles and highlight the importance of advocating for individualised treatment plans. The conversation wraps up with practical advice on approaching healthcare professionals about neurodivergent experiences and the necessity of finding practitioners who truly listen and adapt to personal needs.

If you’ve ever struggled with managing hormones, menstrual-related challenges, or navigating healthcare as a neurodivergent person, this episode is packed with insight, validation, and practical strategies.

For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below:

Caitlin Hughes

• ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Cathartic Collaborations⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• ⁠⁠⁠The Ripple Framework of Neurodivergent Flourishing: Supervision Program ⁠⁠⁠
• Social media: @cathartic.collaborations

Teena Mogler

• ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Balance Centre for Mental Health⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• ⁠⁠⁠Livian Consulting⁠⁠⁠
• Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

In this episode of Divergent Dialogues, Caitlin and Teena sit down with special guest Meghan to explore the journey of transitioning from traditional workplaces to self-employment as neurodivergent professionals. Together, they discuss the challenges of setting boundaries, managing burnout, and building a sustainable business that aligns with their unique strengths and values.

Meghan shares her inspiring journey—from starting her first business at just 10 years old to becoming a leading voice in the neurodiversity movement. The conversation covers the realities of self-employment, the importance of authenticity and self-care, and practical strategies for navigating business as a neurodivergent entrepreneur.

In this episode, you'll hear about:

• The challenges neurodivergent professionals face in traditional workplaces
• Why self-employment can be empowering and challenging
• Practical strategies for setting boundaries and avoiding burnout
• The role of vulnerability and authenticity in supporting clients
• Future goals and community-building efforts

Whether you’re a neurodivergent professional, entrepreneur, or simply curious about creating a more inclusive work environment, this episode offers valuable insights and actionable takeaways.

Meghan Bonde is a leader in the neurodiversity movement, a Tedx speaker, the founder of intensityhub.com, and a Neurodivergent business coach who supports professionals to attract clients by designing systems to work the way they are wired. As a speech language pathologist, educational leader, and chair of the Colorado Neurodiversity Chamber of Commerce, she has facilitated transformational learning for thousands of leaders. She enjoys dance classes and dancing for a local band's concerts.

• Watch Meghan’s Tedx talk
• Discover your intensity profile

For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below:

Caitlin Hughes

• ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Cathartic Collaborations⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• ⁠⁠⁠The Ripple Framework of Neurodivergent Flourishing: Supervision Program ⁠⁠⁠
• Social media: @cathartic.collaborations

Teena Mogler

• ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Balance Centre for Mental Health⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• ⁠⁠⁠Livian Consulting⁠⁠⁠
• Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

In this episode of Divergent Dialogues, we unpack the systemic gender biases that continue to impact neurodivergent people and explore the barriers that make accessing a diagnosis so challenging. Social conditioning often encourages girls and gender-diverse individuals to suppress their natural ways of thinking, behaving, and expressing themselves to meet rigid societal expectations. As a result, instead of being recognised as neurodivergent, they are frequently undiagnosed or misdiagnosed leaving their true needs unaddressed. In this conversation, we also highlight the importance of safe, neuroaffirming spaces where individuals can explore their identity without fear of judgment. Self-identification is valid, and many people who recognise their own neurodivergence have spent significant time researching, reflecting, and connecting with others before coming to this understanding. However, the healthcare system often dismisses self-identified neurodivergent people, making access to affirming support even more difficult.

This episode is a compassionate, necessary conversation about breaking down stigma, challenging outdated diagnostic models, and advocating for a world that truly sees and supports all neurodivergent experiences.

For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below:

Caitlin Hughes

• ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Cathartic Collaborations⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• ⁠⁠⁠The Ripple Framework of Neurodivergent Flourishing: Supervision Program ⁠⁠⁠
• Social media: @cathartic.collaborations

Teena Mogler

• ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Balance Centre for Mental Health⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• ⁠⁠⁠Livian Consulting⁠⁠⁠
• Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

In this episode of Divergent Dialogues, Caitlin, Teena, and Bee open up about the realities of neurodivergent parenting, offering a candid and heartfelt look into their experiences. From the fun and excitement of their children’s daily lives to the challenges of maintaining routines during holidays, the trio shares relatable moments that resonate deeply.

They dive into topics like the transformative journey of discovering their own neurodivergence, and the importance of balancing everyone’s needs in a neurodivergent household. Bee’s unique approach of trusting intuition and rejecting societal norms, paired with Teena’s perspective as a therapist, provides listeners with practical and affirming advice.

The conversation also highlights the power of emotional expression, boundary-setting, and open communication in fostering secure, empathetic, and self-advocating children. Finally, the group explores the importance of a supportive community—or “village”—for raising neurodivergent kids.

Whether you’re a parent, ally, or neurodivergent individual, this episode offers warmth, wisdom, and hope for building a more understanding and inclusive world.

Bee is a former restaurateur and hospitality professional with over 25 years experience balancing motherhood with the demands of small business life. Her voracious appetite for growth and development in leadership roles took her down a path of self directed inquiry into community advocacy that spans interests ranging from Worker Self Directed Enterprises and Cultural Anthropology to Attachment Theory and social work and beyond. Bee is a freelance writer, podcast co-host of Cosmic Cheer Squad Podcast and partner in the Positive Disintegration Network. She is an advocate for joy, rest and healing through her work regardless of job title. Bee is currently a full time unschooling mom of two neurodivergent kids, and (still a mom) to one who lives on their own in Texas and launched pragmagination.com as an aggregate for her various works-in-progress.

For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below:

Caitlin Hughes

• ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Cathartic Collaborations⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• ⁠⁠⁠The Ripple Framework of Neurodivergent Flourishing: Supervision Program ⁠⁠⁠
• Social media: @cathartic.collaborations

Teena Mogler

• ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Balance Centre for Mental Health⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• ⁠⁠⁠Livian Consulting⁠⁠⁠
• Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

In this empowering episode of Divergent Dialogues, Caitlin and Teena share practical strategies for managing Rejection Sensitivity Dysphoria (RSD) while navigating relationships, friendships, and social expectations as neurodivergent individuals.

Drawing from personal experiences and professional insights, they explore:

• The importance of setting and maintaining personal boundaries.
• How self-compassion can help in distinguishing perceived rejection from reality.
• Tips for communicating needs and clarifying misunderstandings without fear of conflict.
• The role of therapeutic approaches in reducing the intensity of RSD responses.
• The journey of embracing authenticity while navigating changing relationships.

Caitlin and Teena remind listeners that it's okay to prioritise nourishing connections and embrace their unique communication styles. Whether you're new to RSD or looking for fresh approaches to coping, this episode is packed with actionable strategies and heartfelt encouragement.

For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below:

Caitlin Hughes

• ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Cathartic Collaborations⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• ⁠⁠⁠The Ripple Framework of Neurodivergent Flourishing: Supervision Program ⁠⁠⁠
• Social media: @cathartic.collaborations

Teena Mogler

• ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Balance Centre for Mental Health⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• ⁠⁠⁠Livian Consulting⁠⁠⁠
• Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealth