In a world that treats mathematics and logic as human inventions or accidental byproducts of the universe, Christians are often told that numbers, reason, and order can exist without any ultimate source. But what if the very tools we use to reason about reality only make sense if reality was designed by a rational mind?

Join us as Eric Hovind sits down with Astrophysicist Dr. Jason Lisle, president of the Biblical Science Institute, to examine mathematics as the logic and language of a Creator. This conversation cuts through assumptions and academic slogans to ask a deeper question: why is the universe governed by immaterial, universal, unchanging laws that our minds can understand?

You’ll hear why mathematics and logic cannot come from matter, chance, or evolutionary processes, challenging the idea that math is neutral or accidental, and will show us why the Christian worldview alone provides a foundation for truth, reason, and meaning.