At 62, Doug Jones is as busy as ever, playing The Baron on FX's What We Do in the Shadows, Saru on Star Trek: Discovery, and returning to the role of Billy Butcherson in Hocus Pocus 2. But you might be most familiar with Doug for his singular roles in heavy prosthetics -- as Abe Sapien in Hellboy and Hellboy II, as The Amphibian Man in The Shape of Water; as Pan and the Pale Man in Pan's Labyrinth. Doug's physical presence -- once something he'd have wished away -- is a huge part of what has made his performances so rich and memorable.  And one early source of inspiration and identification was Ray Bulger's Scarecrow in The Wizard of Oz.

Then, Jordan has one quick thing about a movie you've probably heard of: Smile.

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Here's that Reddit thread about how sexy people find Baron Afanas.

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With Jordan Crucchiola and Doug Jones

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