Dr. Kothari was with us to talk about his soon to be published paper on going to the Moon without SLS and the special halo orbit selected due to SLS. Ajay went through his plan and its architecture and worked at being very persuasive for his suggested program. He had many email listeners asking him challenging questions and the final call from Ft. Worth John was disagreement call. Don't miss what they had to say. Ajay's paper will be posted to our blog upon publication, probably in The Space Review. Read the written the summary at www.thespaceshow.com for this date, Sunday, Jan. 5, 2025.