This week we're joined by our dear friend and colleague (and Dr. Ward’s student extern back in the day!), Dr. Andy Roark, to discuss his suicide prevention program, 4 Eyes Save Lives. Dr. Roark joins hosts Dr. Ernie Ward and Beckie Mossor, RVT to discuss why discussing suicide and depression in the veterinary profession is important, how Andy addresses some of the questions and controversies surrounding this program, and Ernie shares why being any healthcare provider is especially stressful. This podcast discusses suicide, depression, and burnout, so if you'd prefer to skip this episode, we totally understand. If you or someone you know would like to talk to someone about burnout, depression, or suicide, call 1-800-273- 8255 (TALK) or text HOME to 741741. To find out more about this program, visit DrAndyRoark.com