In this episode, Dr. Jane Goodall sits down for a conversation with Dr. Ayana Elizabeth Johnson. Dr. Johnson is a marine biologist, policy expert, author, as well as founder of Urban Ocean Lab, co-host of the podcast "How To Save The Planet", and co-editor of "All We Can Save,” an anthology of essays and poetry by women leading on climate. Ayana and Jane share their love of the oceans and the forests, respectively, speaking on the complexities of their ecosystems and the differences, but also how necessary both are to our planet’s survival. Jane and Ayana talk about their definitions of hope and how Ayana translates the message of having hope into having courage and working together for the greater goal of climate action. From Jane’s lifelong dedication to environmentalism, advocacy, and studying the natural world, she tells Ayana how after all these years and everything she’s witnessed she still has hope. Ayana shares that her hope, like Jane, comes from the younger generation. Listen to this passionate and inspiring conversation to learn more about what makes Ayana say, “I think I needed a little dose of hope from Jane Goodall, myself.”

At the End of the Rainbow: Stay to the end of the episode to hear a rare archival clip of Dr. Goodall speaking in her first National Geographic film ‘Miss Goodall and the Wild Chimpanzees,’ from 1965 about her own determination and how, despite all the hardships, “there was never any thought of quitting.”

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