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Doug kicks things off with a story about finally using his Real Salt Lake season tickets and having what he calls the “time of his life.” A mid-season match against Club América turns into something more than just a game—it’s a full-body experience, complete with mariachi bands, yellow smoke, and a feeling of being transported. We talk about what it means to ride the wave of communal energy and how aliveness can show up in unexpected places.

That leads into a deeper conversation around boundaries and family, especially when it comes to missions, temple culture, and the pressure to “support” things that no longer align with us. We reflect on our own mission experiences, the lasting nervous system impact, and the complicated emotions that come with watching the next generation step into systems we’ve worked hard to leave.

We also touch on:

• The difference between real joy and performative belonging
• Why curiosity matters more than certainty
• How hard it can be to draw lines without feeling like you're abandoning people
• Some music updates—we’re almost done with Austin Nights and Holy Smokes is close behind