Charlotte Hayes was adopted as a baby to Seventh-Day Adventist parents who used the doctrine to h*rm her in unimaginable ways. She was forced to eat raw vegan, not given adequate nutrients and kept dang*rously thin, while the rest of the family ate normally. On top of that, CSA started happening at age 7 and she was told it was to prepare her for being a wife. Charlotte will further discuss her former mother’s obsessions with the health doctrine of SDA and how she weap*nized against Charlotte.

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Charlotte was adopted as a baby to Seventh Day Adventist parents who used the doctrine to harm her in unimaginable ways. More details on her childhood can be found in part one linked below. Finally, at 18 years old, she enlisted a couple friends through Snapchat to help her escape just days before her former father, who made threats on her life for exposing his abuse, returned home. With only a bag of clothes, an erased iPad and a notebook with handwritten contacts, she did her best to survive in a world she had been completely sheltered from. Including confronting her former parents in an attempt to get more of her belongings, then falling into another predatory living situation. 

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00:00:00 Intro

00:02:05 Recap

00:03:38 Charlotte plans her escape

00:19:39 Finding work after running away

00:26:42 Returning to her old church

00:28:46 CW r*pe

00:32:57 Moving away from her strict diet

00:35:06 Living with another secret pred*tor

00:36:19 Confronting her former parents after escaping

00:44:02 Deconstructing fear and shame

00:50:25 Charlotte leaning into her s*xual preferences

00:56:58 Meet Hadley

00:57:29 What brings Charlotte joy now

01:03:09 Linda, listen

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CW: CSA, rape.  Charlotte Hayes was adopted as a baby to Seventh-Day Adventist parents who used the doctrine to harm her in unimaginable ways. She was forced to eat raw vegan, not given adequate nutrients and kept dangerously thin, while the rest of the family ate normally. On top of that, CSA started happening at age 7 and she was told it was to prepare her for being a wife. When signs of physical abuse caught the attention of her public school, they got CPS involved, but the system was a colossal failure and only made it worse at home. She even reported the violence to an SDA pastor who then reported it to the higher councils of the church, but they did nothing. 

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00:00:00 Intro

00:03:23 Charlotte’s adoption into an SDA family

00:09:18 Strict upbringing

00:15:21 Adopted to be h*rmed

00:16:38 TW: CSA from her adopted father

00:20:30 How purity culture at church mentally clashed with CSA at home 

00:25:46 Charlotte's experience in public school

00:33:14 Teachers started to notice signs of ab*se

00:42:23 Being gay in strict purity culture

00:45:54 Experience at boarding school

00:50:54 Washing each other's feet at school...

00:54:08 Charlotte's breaking point

01:02:21 Plotting the escape

01:07:29 Linda listen

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CW: CSA. Jacinta LeGore was born and raised in the Jehovah’s Witnesses. After being forced to confess that she had been CSA’d, then subsequently punished for it, it lead her down a shame spiral. Feeling worthless, she decided to get married at 16 to hopefully heal the part of her that the Elders and her parents thought was “impure”. The marriage ended up being another painful situation which ended in being disfellowshipped. She was immediately cut off from her family and friends, with no real lifeline in the outside world. 

When Jacinta became pregnant, her parents expected to see the chiId, because a loophole states that if someone has never been baptized, one does not have to shun them. However, they were still actively shunning Jacinta, treating her less than human, so she cut off all contact. Jacinta’s parents threatened her with “grandparents’ legal rights” when she would no longer let them see her daughter, even though she was disfellowshipped and cut off herself. The final straw came when  she picked up her daughter from her parents’ and the person who ab*sed her was there. Now she is navigating life, choosing to keep toxic relationships far from her and her daughter for her own mental health. 

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00:00:00 Intro

00:03:11 Jacinta’s Strict ChiIdhood in the JW's

00:08:15 CW: CSA, Damaging Experiences as a ChiId

00:13:23 CW: CSA, Jacinta’s Judicial Process experience

00:19:30 Punishment & Choosing to Get Married at 16

00:23:55 Life After Getting Married

00:27:43 The End of Jacinta’s Marriage and Being Disfellowshipped

00:34:10 Shunning Jacinta has Received From Her Parents

00:38:21 Persecution Complex of High Control Groups

00:42:10 The Aftermath of Setting Boundaries With Parents

00:45:54 Deconstructing the JW's

00:49:36 How Jacinta is doing now

00:53:52 Linda, listen

00:55:10 Final thoughts

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Alissa Watson comes back to update us with some news of her father. She was a devout Jehovah’s Witness through adulthood, marriage and two children, despite a birthing scare that could’ve taken a dark turn if she ended up needing a blood transfusion. Her husband knew his wife was not allowed to receive blood due to the strict doctrine around it, but he was not willing to lose his wife over it. This sent him down a deeply researched deconstruction path which ended up leading them both out of the religion. However, one cannot simply leave the faith and maintain their life as they know it. Friends, family, church members and any devout JW is forced to implement strict shunning. Overnight, they lost everyone. Alissa shares how her father asked for a meeting (2 years after cutting her off) and how reality set in when she realizes his true intentions. 

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00:04:11 Background on the JW's and Alissa's story

00:07:34 The JW's shunning practices

00:12:34 Atributes of high-control groups

00:17:43 The day-to-day of being shunned

00:23:58 Alissa's complicated communication with her father

00:30:21 Alissa confronts her father

00:36:31 Discussing CSA in the JW faith 

00:44:10 Doubling down on shunning

00:50:22 Family relationships & the effect on Alissa's children since leaving

00:55:31 Alissa's husband's experience since leaving 

01:01:28 Updates and final thoughts

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CW: CA, mentions of suicide- Jamie Mustard was born into one of the most influential fringe movements in the 1970s: Scientology. Raised on a mythos of spaceships and made to believe that it was his life’s purpose to help save the world, he was determined to survive—not only unsurvivable neglect but also the impossible physical and psychological gauntlet of extreme poverty and illiteracy. Children were kept in animalistic conditions away from their parents and hardly kept alive until they were deemed “useful” by Scientology. At which point ensued extreme, dangerous labor and endless hours of Scientology classes to keep their “ethics up”. The last straw was being punished for his bosses wrongdoings at 19 when he was sent aboard a cruise liner for hard manual labor for months. Once he learned they had intent to send him back yet again, he made his quick yet calculated escape for freedom. Uneducated and illiterate, he worked hard and with the guidance and support of kind educators, managed to graduate from a prestigious UK university in economics. He’s a true testament to what one can achieve after all odds are stacked against them. 

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After an amazing discussion with Jenna Miscavige, we knew we had to come back and further discuss what led her out of her Scientology marriage. Even further, we will explore the tactics that set former Scientologists up for failure when it comes to relationships after the cult. A real and raw conversation about the hardships faced when raised in a militaristic, emotionless prison like environment. 

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Jenna Miscavige was born into and grew up in Scientology. Her uncle, David Miscavige, is the leader of Scientology. Jenna details her nearly parentless life as a number in the militaristic conditions where they kept the children. Her mother was a high ranking member, so when she saw how she lived in what felt like royal conditions compared to her, she doubled down in her beliefs with the intention of also being able to live the same lifestyle in the upper ranks. Things definitely started to spiral when Jenna found out both of her. Parents were no longer Scientologists and she would then be punished for that. Marriage seemed like the first step towards any loving and meaningful relationship (a glimpse of joy in her house of horrors), but even then her plans were disrupted time and time again due to who she was in relation to the leader. Her escape was long and drawn out with Scientology never truly leaving her and her husband alone. Learn more about her life in her memoir Beyond Belief: My Secret Life Inside Scientology & My Harrowing Escape as well as on her YouTube Channel linked below. 

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Following our incredible interview with Melissa Duge Spiers, today we go LIVE to confront the question...  Is Seventh-Day Adventism a Cult? 

Melissa grew up in the shadow of control, silence, and secrets inside the insular fundamentalist sect, Seventh-Day Adventist Church. From being beaten for resisting a childhood home perm to seducing a forbidden public school athlete in her parents’ bed to reclaim her autonomy, Melissa’s early years were shaped by repression, shame, and religious programming. Her escape from the SDA church launched her into a life of risk. When Melissa learned that a family member was a serial chiId predator shielded by the church, her world imploded. But this revelation was only the beginning.

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CW: mentions of eating disorders, female GM, CSA, SA.  Melissa Duge Spiers grew up in the shadow of control, silence, and secrets inside the insular fundamentalist sect, Seventh-Day Adventist Church. From being beaten for resisting a childhood home perm to seducing a forbidden public school athlete in her parents’ bed to reclaim her autonomy, Melissa’s early years were shaped by repression, shame, and religious programming. Her escape from the SDA church launched her into a life of risk. When Melissa learned that a family member was a serial chiId predator shielded by the church, her world imploded. But this revelation was only the beginning.

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