Cults to Consciousness

By Shelise Ann Sola, Jonathan C RosalesSociety & Culture

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August 21 The 22nd Wife Who Helped TAKE DOWN FLDS “False Prophet” Sam Bateman
After being gr**med and coerced into becoming Sam Bateman’s 22nd wife, Makelle Bistline reveals what life was actually like inside his polygamous household—and how quickly the disturbing reality began to surface. As her doubts grew, Makelle secretly helped get information to Christine, eventually becoming part of the quiet resistance that helped expose Bateman and bring the FBI closer to his inner circle.
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Watch our Part One with Makelle
Watch our LIVE with Makelle & Nomz
Watch our interview with Nomz
Our interview with Dr. Christine Katas
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**Disclaimer: This podcast provides a platform for guests to share their personal experiences and opinions. The views expressed are solely those of the guest and do not necessarily reflect the views of the hosts or producers. Any allegations discussed are unverified and represent personal accounts only. All individuals mentioned are presumed innocent unless proven otherwise. The podcast assumes no legal responsibility for statements made by guests.**
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1 hr 24 min
August 17 Warren Jeffs’ Daughter Reveals Unexpected Reasons People Are Leaving the FLDS
In this follow-up conversation, Sienna returns to share what’s changing inside the FLDS and the unexpected reasons some members are beginning to walk away. As Warren Jeffs’ daughter, she offers a rare insider perspective on what’s driving people to question the group, what makes leaving so complicated, and how life inside the FLDS continues to evolve.
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Watch our initial interview with Sienna
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Sienna is 12 weeks pregnant and is going to be a single mama. Support her with her Baby Registry :)
Sienna’s art
IG: https://www.instagram.com/papergardenarts
Resources for leaving Polygamy & volunteer opportunities
If you or someone you love has left polygamy and needs assistance, please reach out to "Holding Out HELP" at 801-548-3492 or visit their website at www.holdingouthelp.org
Holding Out Help: https://holdingouthelp.org/
Short Creek Dream Center: https://www.shortcreekdreamcenter.org/
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**Disclaimer: This podcast provides a platform for guests to share their personal experiences and opinions. The views expressed are solely those of the guest and do not necessarily reflect the views of the hosts or producers. Any allegations discussed are unverified and represent personal accounts only. All individuals mentioned are presumed innocent unless proven otherwise. The podcast assumes no legal responsibility for statements made by guests.**
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1 hr 1 min
August 14 FLDS “Prophet” Married My 3 Mothers, My Young Sisters… And Me (Makelle’s Story)
Raised in the FLDS with 3 mothers and 27 siblings, Makelle grew up believing extreme restrictions, poverty, and obedience to religious authority were simply normal. That foundation made her vulnerable when self-proclaimed prophet Sam Bateman entered her family’s world, even as she questioned his teachings and was horrified to discover he was “marrying” underage girls. As Bateman gained control over her family—eventually marrying several of Makelle’s sisters and one of her mothers—Makelle continued resisting him and secretly shared information that ultimately exposed what was happening inside the group.
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Watch our interview with Nomz
Our interview with Dr. Christine Katas
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**Disclaimer: This podcast provides a platform for guests to share their personal experiences and opinions. The views expressed are solely those of the guest and do not necessarily reflect the views of the hosts or producers. Any allegations discussed are unverified and represent personal accounts only. All individuals mentioned are presumed innocent unless proven otherwise. The podcast assumes no legal responsibility for statements made by guests.**
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1 hr 3 min
August 12 Warren Jeffs’ Daughter Reveals What REALLY Happened Inside the FLDS
Sienna shares what it was like growing up as one of Warren Jeffs' children inside the FLDS, from the 2008 Texas raid and years of strict control to the fear, isolation, and manipulation that shaped her childhood. She opens up about the moment she began questioning everything…
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Find and support Sienna!
Sienna’s art
IG: https://www.instagram.com/siennahazej/
Resources for leaving Polygamy & volunteer opportunities
If you or someone you love has left polygamy and needs assistance, please reach out to "Holding Out HELP" at 801-548-3492 or visit their website at www.holdingouthelp.org
Holding Out Help
Short Creek Dream Center
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Twitter @cultstocon
**Disclaimer: This podcast provides a platform for guests to share their personal experiences and opinions. The views expressed are solely those of the guest and do not necessarily reflect the views of the hosts or producers. Any allegations discussed are unverified and represent personal accounts only. All individuals mentioned are presumed innocent unless proven otherwise. The podcast assumes no legal responsibility for statements made by guests.**
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1 hr 29 min
August 10 Gloriavale Cult Survivor Exposes Everything WRONG with New “Devotion” Doc (ft. Lilia Tarawa)
Lilia Tarawa—granddaughter of Gloriavale founder Neville Cooper—shares her perspective on the new Paramount+ documentary Devotion, which offers unprecedented access inside the isolated New Zealand religious community. While she appreciates the rare footage and the opportunity to hear from current members, Lilia argues that the documentary fails to present the full reality of Gloriavale by omitting critical historical context, survivor experiences, and the systemic ab*se that has shaped the community for decades. Drawing from her own upbringing inside the group, she explains how communal living, isolation, rigid gender roles, and absolute obedience created an environment where manipulation and control became normalized. The conversation then examines Gloriavale's culture of secrecy, forgiveness, and institutional protection of ab*se. Lilia challenges the documentary's balanced approach, arguing that presenting current leaders' perspectives without fully addressing their roles in enabling abuse risks minimizing the harm suffered by survivors.
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Watch our initial interviews with Lilia
Live with Lilia
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Book: “Daughter of Gloriavale: My Life in a Religious Cult”
For inquires, email: [email protected]
Podcast - Brandbreaker with Lilia Tarawa: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/brandbreaker-with-lilia-tarawa/id1859810768
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**Disclaimer: This podcast provides a platform for guests to share their personal experiences and opinions. The views expressed are solely those of the guest and do not necessarily reflect the views of the hosts or producers. Any allegations discussed are unverified and represent personal accounts only. All individuals mentioned are presumed innocent unless proven otherwise. The podcast assumes no legal responsibility for statements made by guests.**
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1 hr 20 min
August 05 Inside NXIVM Cult’s Collapse and the Hollywood Actress Behind It (ft. Bonnie Piesse)
Bonnie Piesse shares the deeply personal story of how a successful acting and music career in Hollywood left her feeling spiritually empty, ultimately making her vulnerable to the promises of NXIVM. She was introduced to the organization by her future husband, Mark Vicente. What initially appeared to be an empowering self-improvement community instead slowly eroded her confidence through constant criticism, psychological manipulation, and a culture that encouraged members to relentlessly search for their own flaws while elevating Keith Raniere as the ultimate authority. Trusting her own intuition became the first step toward recognizing the group's darker reality, while Mark Vicente's willingness to believe her experiences helped spark the chain of events that eventually exposed NXIVM to the world.
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https://www.instagram.com/yourquantumlife/
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Twitter @cultstocon
**Disclaimer: This podcast provides a platform for guests to share their personal experiences and opinions. The views expressed are solely those of the guest and do not necessarily reflect the views of the hosts or producers. Any allegations discussed are unverified and represent personal accounts only. All individuals mentioned are presumed innocent unless proven otherwise. The podcast assumes no legal responsibility for statements made by guests.**
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1 hr 14 min
August 03 Why Narcissists Become Dangerous When You Expose Them (ft. Mark Vicente)
After our powerful conversation with former NXIVM insider and filmmaker Mark Vicente about The Narcissist's Playbook, we're sitting down with him once again for a special live discussion to go even deeper. This time, we're moving beyond understanding the mindset of narcissists to explore what happens when they're challenged. Why do narcissists react so intensely when confronted? What fears drive their rage, retaliation, and manipulation? How can survivors safely stand up to them—or should they at all?
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Mark’s original interview
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Donate to & watch “Narcissist’s Playbook”: https://www.narcissistsplaybook.com/
IG: https://www.instagram.com/markvicente/
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Twitter @cultstocon
**Disclaimer: This podcast provides a platform for guests to share their personal experiences and opinions. The views expressed are solely those of the guest and do not necessarily reflect the views of the hosts or producers. Any allegations discussed are unverified and represent personal accounts only. All individuals mentioned are presumed innocent unless proven otherwise. The podcast assumes no legal responsibility for statements made by guests.**
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58 min
July 27 I Interviewed Real Narcissists... What They Admitted Terrified Me (ft.Mark Vicente)
Filmmaker and former NXIVM member Mark Vicente returns to discuss his new documentary, The Narcissist's Playbook, using both his experience exposing NXIVM and years of research into narcissistic personalities to explain why destructive leaders across cults, abusive relationships, and even public life often follow the same psychological pattern. Drawing from his own journey through multiple spiritual movements before becoming one of the key figures who helped bring down Keith Raniere, Mark explores how idealistic, empathetic people are especially vulnerable to manipulation. He reflects on the emotional aftermath of discovering just how calculated Keith Raniere's deception had been and how that realization reshaped his understanding of evil.
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IG: https://www.instagram.com/markvicente/
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Twitter @cultstocon
**Disclaimer: This podcast provides a platform for guests to share their personal experiences and opinions. The views expressed are solely those of the guest and do not necessarily reflect the views of the hosts or producers. Any allegations discussed are unverified and represent personal accounts only. All individuals mentioned are presumed innocent unless proven otherwise. The podcast assumes no legal responsibility for statements made by guests.**
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1 hr 37 min
July 24 How Mormons Enslaved & Erased Native American Children
Following up the enlightening interview with Ember Hudson, today she joins us LIVE to further discuss Native slavery, which is the least discussed aspects of early Utah history. Early Mormon settlement in Utah profoundly impacted Native communities through slavery, land displacement, and forced assimilation. After the Utah Territory legalized Native slavery in 1852, many Native chiIdren were purchased or taken into Mormon homes, where they were separated from their families, baptized, given English names, and raised within Mormon culture—practices that foreshadowed the later Indian Placement Program. At the same time, Mormon expansion transformed the landscape, disrupting traditional Native lifeways, displacing tribes from their ancestral lands, and accelerating the loss of Indigenous language, culture, and identity.
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Watch our initial interview with Ember
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website is: https://www.waywardlamanite.com
Ember’s book “Wayward Lamanite”
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Support C2C - Any donations are welcome and appreciated to support the making of this podcast.
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Host Instagram @sheliseann
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Twitter @cultstocon
**Disclaimer: This podcast provides a platform for guests to share their personal experiences and opinions. The views expressed are solely those of the guest and do not necessarily reflect the views of the hosts or producers. Any allegations discussed are unverified and represent personal accounts only. All individuals mentioned are presumed innocent unless proven otherwise. The podcast assumes no legal responsibility for statements made by guests.**
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51 min
July 22 The Mormon Church Called Me Chosen... and Cursed
Ember Hudson shares the deeply personal story of growing up as a Native American woman in the LDS Church, where Mormon teachings about Indigenous people left her struggling with identity, worth, and belonging. Raised between her tribal heritage and a predominantly white Mormon community, she recounts how doctrines surrounding the Lamanites, rac*st interpretations of skin color, and repeated messages that she needed to "repent more" caused years of emotional and spiritual conflict. The conversation also explores the LDS Church's historical treatment of Native Americans, including the Indian Placement Program, cultural assimilation, tokenization, and the lasting impact of portraying Indigenous peoples through the lens of the Book of Mormon. Her story is a powerful examination of reclaiming identity, healing from religious trauma, and rediscovering a cultural heritage that she believes was never meant to be erased.
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Follow and support Ember!
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@wayward_lamanite also on Instagram, Facebook, and YouTube.
website is: https://www.waywardlamanite.com
Ember’s book “Wayward Lamanite”
Subscribe to our C2C "CLIPS" Channel!
Support C2C - Any donations are welcome and appreciated to support the making of this podcast.
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Instagram @cultstoconsciousness
Host Instagram @sheliseann
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TikTok @cults.to.consciousness
Twitter @cultstocon
**Disclaimer: This podcast provides a platform for guests to share their personal experiences and opinions. The views expressed are solely those of the guest and do not necessarily reflect the views of the hosts or producers. Any allegations discussed are unverified and represent personal accounts only. All individuals mentioned are presumed innocent unless proven otherwise. The podcast assumes no legal responsibility for statements made by guests.**
See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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1 hr 24 min