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Mandi Pagliarini was thrown into Alcoholics Anonymous as a teen when her parents caught her drinking, and overreacted. She was lured into loving summer boarding camps with cute boys and fun activities, so immediately following high school graduation, the thought of being full time boarded with the group sounded fun and necessary for her health. Unfortunately, a bait and switch quickly happened when she realized that in this particular group, all sponsors and authority lead directly to the man at the top named Mike. He started micromanaging every single aspect of their lives including specific diets, where they went and even, who he thought they should be sleeping with. Young teens were given to 30+ year old men for “their own good” and this included Mike himself who was in his 50s. If compliance was not given, they were berated in front of the whole group. Mandi’s parents were still under the impression that she needed to be there, even though she had nothing close to resembling alcoholism, so she was left feeling alone and afraid of the outside world. After attempting to leave twice, it finally stuck and after drastically overcorrecting, she found her way. 

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Today Shelise takes the hot seat to be interviewed by husband and co-producer Jonathan Rosales. A brief discussion about Mormonism and the various shapes it can take in people’s lives gives more context to why Shelise feels it is a cult/high control group. They discuss the light hearted aspects of leaving the cult bubble such as being out of the loop with pop culture. Then, for the first time, Shelise goes into depth about the CSA from her past and how it not only affects her daily life, but her life as a host who platforms other trauma survivors. Other hardships with running the channel while going through intense personal challenges are spoken of in detail which leads them to extreme gratitude for their audience and community who has gathered to support their guests and the cause. 

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Chapter Marks

00:00:00 Intro

00:05:08 Why Shelise feels she's a Cult Survivor, having left Mormonism

00:11:22 Does Shelise feel more "connected" to society now that she's more caught up on pop culture?

00:18:36 What it feels like for Shelise to be Agnostic

00:22:21 Did Shelise ever think she would interview Cult Survivors for a living?

00:28:27 How Shelise handles the trauma offload from hosting interviews each week?

00:30:59 Shelise discusses the ab*se she experienced from her father

00:34:18 What's it been like for Jonathan having to be a container for Shelise

00:34:40 Moments Shelise broke down after conducting interviews

00:39:52 Does Shelise have a relationship with her father now?

00:51:30 Confronting the ab*se from Shelise's father, now that Shelise & Jonathan have a daughter

00:54:55 Shelise & Jonathan discuss their m*scarriage

01:02:25 Being pregnant while interviewing Cult Survivors

01:04:13 Jonathan on producing Cults to Consciousness

01:10:28 Did Jonathan feel they would be successful in the beginning?

01:13:10 The time Shelise had psychic readings done

01:17:35 Jonathan & Shelise on filming their own documentary

01:23:23 C2C Officially launches Channel Memberships!

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Carah Burrell and Ryan Fisher have continued to cover the Tim Ballard scandal since it was leaked two years ago that he had plans to become the new LDS prophet and take over the government through white nationalism. He was using his “connections” with the now deceased apostle Ballard (no relation) to bolster his cause at Operation Underground Railroad, which evidence has now suggested it was all a ruse, including allegedly luring women into SA situations by Tim during their “raids”. The LDS church responded swiftly with an ex-communication, severing his membership and ego. He has since been trying to appeal that decision multiple times, however, simultaneously alleging that the LDS church is full of Satanic Ritual ab*se of children and denouncing leadership. 

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Following our incredible interview with Rosei Quartz, today we go LIVE with her to further discuss her time with her threatening Adventist husband. Rosei was born a Seventh-Day Adventist where her father eventually became a charismatic and highly performative pastor in the church. She attended private Adventist schools and was constantly the center of her father’s fake sermons. Rosei’s mother got chronically ill and was ignored, being told her symptoms were made up for attention. She ended up passing suspiciously and Rosei’s father was married again 4 months later. 

Rosei ended up in an Adventist marriage which ended up being extremely toxic. Upon asking for a divorce, she was called a witch and even “hexed her husband with COVlD”. He then threatened to disappear her into Adventist conversion therapy if she tried to leave. Escaping and fearing for her life, she frantically grew a social media following in hopes it would protect her.

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Rosei Quartz was part of the Seventh Day Adventist church in Canada where her father became a very performative and charismatic Pastor. It never felt authentic to Rosei and things got worse when he started using stories (which were most likely fabricated) about her in his very public sermons. This put an unwelcome target on her back as a chiId that stuck with her throughout her years in the church. When her mother became chronically ill, it was believed that she was either making it up for attention, or just wasn’t being faithful enough to be well. Rosei watched helplessly as her mother withered away before her eyes, even losing her teeth to this unknown cause. What’s worse, her mother suspiciously passed when Rosei was at college and years later she found out through her autopsy that she died of a fentanyl overdose. Lies upon lies built even though an adventist marriage until she finally escaped it all. 

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As a teenager, devoted to her faith, Carrie Saum felt being born a woman was a punishment. Her mother was a strongly devout Christian woman who implored on Carrie that if she didn’t go to Russia on a teen mission trip, Russians would go to Hell and their blood would be on her hands. These teen trips were mostly run by other young adults who put the kids in ill*gal and morally questionable situations. However, nothing was off the table when it came to showing your devotion to God. In fact, dying a martyr is what Carrie assumed would happen to her. She didn’t realize she had any other choice. Now she is committed to exposing the “Honor Academy” for what it is/was. A way to exploit teens for their time, money and labor, to create an army of unquestioning, obedient adults. 

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Chapter Marks

00:00:00 Intro

00:03:51 Carrie's part in the documentary

00:08:15 Carrie's upbringing

00:13:53 Acquire the Fire

00:20:52 Carrie drops out of college to join the internship program

00:28:58 What it was like when Carrie's parents moved out of state

00:32:17 Carrie's time in Russia

00:42:56 The Honor Academy

00:55:36 Columbine

00:59:24 ESOAL

01:10:09 How the martyr mindset affected Carrie

01:19:07 After deconstruction

01:21:49 What brings Carrie joy 

01:23:24 Linda Listen

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Amy Duggar, cousin to the famous Duggar family from TLC’s “19 Kids and Counting” exposes what life was REALLY like on and off the big screen. Her own childhood was plagued by a narcissistic and cruel father who would constantly take her on a roller coaster of ups and downs. Her grandfather (Jim Bob & her mother’s father) was also a character that parents knew could not be alone with their kids. However, there was even a time in her childhood when her grandfather lived in her home.  Today we zoom in on life in an abusive home, the chaos and the confusion, in contrast with the life of luxury on camera and what that did to her mental health. 

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Amy’s Book: Holy Disruptor: Shattering the Shiny Facade by Getting Louder with the Truth

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Amy Duggar, cousin to the famous Duggar family from TLC’s “19 Kids and Counting” exposes what life was REALLY like on and off the big screen. Her own childhood was plagued by a narcissistic and cru*l father who would constantly take her on a roller coaster of ups and downs. Meanwhile, her uncle Jim Bob’s family seemed to have everything together. Perfectly behaved children combined with an ideal and picture perfect lifestyle left her desiring a home as loving and wholesome as theirs. However, once she was invited into their family on a more regular basis (when the producer saw money signs in Amy’s outspoken personality) the facade slowly faded when she realized her cousins were never allowed to have “negative feelings” or speak critically of other family members. Even if that meant sacrificing their own safety. She would learn the true character of one of her best friends and cousins, Josh Duggar; a secret that would shock the world. 

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Thembi Buthelezi came to America from South Africa, becoming very successful in New York City. Her sister back home was deeply involved in a cult there, who told her she could syphon her sister’s life through magic and sacrifice. Thembi’s life started falling apart the minute her sister arrived in her home and she knew something was wrong. Thembi distanced herself from her sister, went to ministerial school and ended up in Los Angeles at the famous mystical church called Agape. Little did she know, she would end up falling for the charms of a charismatic South African “Prophet” who was preaching at Agape on healing ancestral trauma. The same cult leader her sister had been involved in. A trip to Ghana to the cult headquarters would end up revealing a dark world riddled with secret sex magic and coercive techniques to trick white American women into giving up their marriages, fortunes and mind to the cult. The damage done took Thembi years as a buddhist nun to unravel and piece her life back together. Now, she is determined to warn everyone about this false prophet.

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Chapter Marks

00:00:00 Intro

00:04:12 Thembi Introduces Herself and Her Background

00:08:50 Comparisons Between Churches in Africa vs America

00:13:44 The Areas of Your Life The Cult Targets

00:18:21 When Thembi Was Initially Targeted By the Cult & Her Sister's Involvement

00:25:32  Thembi’s First Introductions to the Cult & Her Spiritual Journey

00:34:09 Thembi’s First Introductions to the Leader of the Cult

00:38:41 Beginning Initiations into the Cult & Recognizing Strange Behaviors

00:43:23 What the Cult Leader Asked Thembi To Do - S*xual Rituals & Other Cult Practices

00:48:08 More of the Witchcraft Practices Present in the Cult

00:50:30 The Cult's Tactics to Increase Followers

00:55:38 Sat*nic Practices Within the Cult

00:59:07 The Goals of the Cult

01:02:51 CW: Mentions of Human Sacr*fice, the Darker Aspects and Practices of the Cult

01:10:01 CW: Mentions of Su*cide, How Thembi Escaped the Cult's Influence and Her Time as a Bhuddist Nun

01:16:38 Thembi’s Healing and Beginning to Expose the Cult

01:24:04 Thembi’s Life Today

01:26:28 Final Thoughts and Linda Listen

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Charlotte Hayes was adopted as a baby to Seventh-Day Adventist parents who used the doctrine to h*rm her in unimaginable ways. She was forced to eat raw vegan, not given adequate nutrients and kept dang*rously thin, while the rest of the family ate normally. On top of that, CSA started happening at age 7 and she was told it was to prepare her for being a wife. Charlotte will further discuss her former mother’s obsessions with the health doctrine of SDA and how she weap*nized against Charlotte.

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