I have been saving this Chick Tract for a Thanksgiving Bonus Episode! Grab a drink, or prep your turkey with us as we dive into the most hilariously ridiculous Chick Tract we've read so far, as we learn the "true" story of Thanksgiving from an evangelical lens. Happy Thanksgiving from us to you!

Show Notes

Chick Tract of the Week! : The Missing Day

The Influence Continuum

Out of MLM⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The BITE Model⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LAMLM Book Club⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠MLM Dupes⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

How can you help?

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠MLM Change⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Report Fraud⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Truth in Advertising⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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Happy Thanksgiving! How about a bit of seasonal American history you probably didn't learn about in 2nd grade? Author of Cults Like Us, Jane Borden and I delve into the connections between cult dynamics and American culture, particularly through the lens of the Puritans and Pilgrims. Jane explains how these early groups set the stage for modern consumerism, the psychological impacts of cult-like thinking, and the prevalence of such dynamics in contemporary society, including the rise of influencers.

Plus, Mr. F tries to make me a Trekkie.

Show Notes

Amok Time

The Enduring Legacy of Trekkies

Connect with Jane : Instagram | TikTok | Website

Cults Like Us by Jane Borden

Plymouth Colony Wiki

The Influence Continuum

Out of MLM⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The BITE Model⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LAMLM Book Club⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠MLM Dupes⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

How can you help?

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠MLM Change⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Report Fraud⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Truth in Advertising⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Report to your state Attorney General's office!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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I've been wanting to talk about Asea for awhile and a recent comment on Instagram inspired me to take a closer look into the company. After a deep dive into the Asea Redox Cell Signaling Supplement rabbit hole, what I found was too good not to share and poke fun of in a bonus episode dedicated to maybe the stupidest MLM product of all time.

Show Notes

Asea Products

PubMed - Redox Signaling

Asea Wiki

Asea Redox Aerobic Capacity Study

Asea Redox Cycling Performance Study

The Influence Continuum

Out of MLM⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The BITE Model⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LAMLM Book Club⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠MLM Dupes⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

How can you help?

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠MLM Change⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Report Fraud⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Truth in Advertising⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Report to your state Attorney General's office!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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Music : Abstract World by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Alexi Action⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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Michelle is here and we are diving into the factual history behind the events of the Salem Witch Trials, starting with the now out-of-print Chick Tract that's the most historically accurate one I've ever read. In today's Culty History lesson, we discuss "spectral evidence", the impact of accusations, and the underlying motives of land disputes, while drawing parallels between the trials and modern societal fears. Throughout our chat, we emphasize the cyclical nature of mass hysteria events and the importance of understanding history so we are not doomed to repeat it.

But first, the McRib is back and we need to talk about it.

Show Notes

McRibLocator.com

Furious McDonald’s fans erupt after cult classic McRib sells out within hours of return

How McDonald's McRib Became A Cult Classic

Chick Tract of the Week! : Satan Comes to Salem (Out of Print)

Sources:

A Brief History of the Salem Witch Trials

World History.org - Salem Witch Trials

History.com - Salem Witch Trials

Salem Witch Trials Documentary Archive and Transcription Project

Salem Witch Trials of 1692

The Truth About the Salem Witch Trials (TikTok)

What Caused the Salem Witch Crisis? P1 (TikTok)

r/AskHistorians : Is there any truth to the theory that witches were just a way to target independent and self sufficient women?

The Influence Continuum

Out of MLM⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The BITE Model⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LAMLM Book Club⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠MLM Dupes⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

How can you help?

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠MLM Change⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Report Fraud⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Truth in Advertising⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Report to your state Attorney General's office!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Not in the U.S.? No Problem!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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Music : Abstract World by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Alexi Action⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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In Part 2 of the High Priestess of Pink, Nic and I discuss the influence of figures like Dale Carnegie on the modern "MLM Mean Girl", the impact of the great wealth transfer on the corporate side of MLMs, the changing landscape of direct sales as more MLMs ditch the pyramid and go pancake and the implications of those changes for consultants. Plus the early history of BeautiControl, and what it looks like today.

But first, the cult of Swifties...

Show Notes

Swifties Wiki

Mary Kay: Just the Facts

Mary Kay Ash’s Family Tree

Youngevity Welcomes BeautiControl Products and People to our Family

Mary Kay Mentioned in Forbes Twice

Changes to Mary Kay Customer Orders on Mary Kay Website

Ryan Rogers, "They’re not going to change the company." Leadership Conference March 2025

Again at Seminar August 2025

New Mary Kay Sales Director Suits not announced at Seminar 2025

Petition to get new Director Suits

The Influence Continuum

Out of MLM⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The BITE Model⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LAMLM Book Club⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠MLM Dupes⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

How can you help?

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠MLM Change⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Report Fraud⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Truth in Advertising⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Report to your state Attorney General's office!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Not in the U.S.? No Problem!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Support the Podcast!

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Music : Abstract World by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Alexi Action⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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Nic is back and we're here to deep dive into the life and legacy of Mary Kay Ash, the founder of one of the oldest MLM companies. The story that is told to consultants and regurgitated over and over at events about Mary Kay's life and the founding of the company? Turns out, it's not true. Nic has come with the records and receipts as we go through the fabrications surrounding her origin story, and the truth about her multiple marriages. Our conversation also highlights the eerily similar connections between Mary Kay and other more recent MLM founders, the nepotistic cronyism in the family business, and the crumbling feminist facade of her company.

Show Notes

Mary Kay: Just the Facts

Mary Kay Ash Marriage 

One of Mary Kay’s First Consultants Reveals The Dirt

Ask ME about Mary Kay: The True Story Behind the Bumper Sticker on the Pink Cadillac by Jackie Brown

Mary Kay Ash’s Family Tree

Ben Rogers Jr, Mary Kay’s son, major investor in Mary Kay Cosmetics Inc startup

Ben Rogers Dallas News Obituary  

Marilyn Rogers was one of the first Sales Representatives

The Influence Continuum

Out of MLM⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The BITE Model⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LAMLM Book Club⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠MLM Dupes⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

How can you help?

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠MLM Change⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Report Fraud⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Truth in Advertising⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Report to your state Attorney General's office!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Not in the U.S.? No Problem!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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Music : Abstract World by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Alexi Action⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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Happy Halloween Huns! Come join us as we explore the earliest spooky history and most haunted locations all over San Diego. In this special Halloween episode we go on location and experience San Diego, just after the Mexican-American War; the development of present day Downtown, the history of The Whaley House, San Diego's first cemetery El Campo Santo, Rancho Guajome Adobe and Pioneer Park. These are some of my absolute favorite spooky places in San Diego, and I am excited to share this history lesson with you! And as promised, the Chick Tract "Happy Halloween". Stay Safe!

Sources

The Whaley House Wiki

America’s Most Terrifying Ghost Story

San Diego's Scariest and Most Haunted Place

Hidden San Diego - Pioneer Park

The Haunted Guide to Pioneer Park

San Diego Parks & Rec : Mission Hills

San Diego Parks & Rec : Mount Hope

Are there BODIES beneath a San Diego Park?

Mount Hope's Graveyard for Tombstones

We Know Where the Bodies are Buried

Guide to the Calvary Cemetery Collection

Yankee Jim : A Case of Mistaken Identity?

Rancho Guajome Adobe

Show Notes

Chick Tract of the Week! : Happy Halloween

Out of MLM⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The BITE Model⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LAMLM Book Club⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠MLM Dupes⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

How can you help?

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠MLM Change⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Report Fraud⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Truth in Advertising⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Report to your state Attorney General's office!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Not in the U.S.? No Problem!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Support the Podcast!

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Music : Abstract World by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Alexi Action⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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In this episode, we delve into the tragic story of Alene Schrader, who suffered fatal medical neglect at the hands of her granddaughter, Kandise Sheahen, a registered nurse involved in the MLM Q Sciences. Our conversation with Alene's grandson, Jon Schrader and his wife Francesa, explores the dangers of MLM products as healthcare, the risks associated with trusting unqualified individuals in financially motivated medical situations, and the subsequent legal proceedings following Nana's death from ketoacidosis. This story is the worst case scenario of everything we have learned this year about the monetized health and wellness space, and should be listened to with caution.

Show Notes

Chick Tract of the Week! : The Little Ghost

Connect with Francesca : Instagram

Alene Schrader Memorial

Wisconsin nurse who sells supplements online jailed after replacing grandmother’s insulin with prayers

Wausau Nurse Charged in Grandmother’s Death

'I don't believe in insulin': 80-year-old grandma dies after granddaughter swaps diabetes medication for supplements and 'prayers'

Granddaughter gets VERY light sentence after switching diabetic grandma's insulin for prayers and letting her die

Out of MLM⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The BITE Model⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LAMLM Book Club⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠MLM Dupes⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

How can you help?

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠MLM Change⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Report Fraud⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Truth in Advertising⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Report to your state Attorney General's office!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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Music : Abstract World by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Alexi Action⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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Let's grab Mallory DeMille and dive into the wacky world of wellness influencers; the rise of grifters, the impact of the MAHA movement, and the absurd trends that have emerged in recent years. We discuss how wellness influencers exploit tragedies for profit, the gamification of the wellness space, and the challenges of helping change minds in a world filled with mis and disinformation. And what extreme wellness influencer episode would be complete without touching on some of 2025's most bizarre practices like urine therapy and butthole sunning, as well as predictions for 2026.

Show Notes

Chick Tract of the Week! : Boo!

Connect with Mallory : Instagram | TikTok | YouTube

Quacks, Cancer and Kangen Water (Conspirituality Podcast)

MAHA (HHS.gov)

MAHA (Wikipedia)

Beware the Virtuous MAHA Movement

Pasteurization with Dr. Jess

Raw Milk Community "invents" Pasteurization (Threads)

Dr. Terry Simpson on Raw Milk

NYT : You Might Have Already Fallen for MAHA’s Conspiracy Theories (Video)

How to Talk to a Science Denier: Conversations with Flat Earthers, Climate Deniers, and Others Who Defy Reason

Out of MLM⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The BITE Model⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠MLM Dupes⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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Life After MLM is produced by Roberta Blevins. Audio editing is done by the lovely⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Kayla Craven⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, video editing by the indescribable⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ RK Gold⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Michelle Carpenter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ is our Triple Emerald Princess of Robots. Life After MLM is owned by Roberta Blevins 2025.

Music : Abstract World by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Alexi Action⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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After he listened to the last episode, Mr. F had a lot of questions and insight about Lillian's story. We literally talked about aspects of it everyday, so much so that I said we should just sit down and record our thoughts about this MLM that isn't quite and MLM, Magical Vacation Planners. If you had more thoughts or pending questions about the last episode, join us for this chat or send us a message!

Show Notes

Magical Vacation Planner's Website

Reddit : r/AntiMLM re: MVP

Reddit : r/TravelAgents re: MVP

Reddit : r/WaltDisneyWorld re: MVP

Out of MLM⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The BITE Model⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LAMLM Book Club⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠MLM Dupes⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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Life After MLM is produced by Roberta Blevins. Audio editing is done by the lovely⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Kayla Craven⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, video editing by the indescribable⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ RK Gold⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Michelle Carpenter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ is our Triple Emerald Princess of Robots. Life After MLM is owned by Roberta Blevins 2025.

Music : Abstract World by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Alexi Action⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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