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Lindsey Williams returns to the podcast to join me in interviewing Taylor Burge, stepdaughter of Phil Phillips.

She shares what it was like growing up in the home behind Turmoil in the Toybox, the infamous book that warned Christian parents about the supposed demonic dangers of He-Man, Care Bears, Ninja Turtles, Power Rangers, and other pieces of 80s and 90s childhood.

In this conversation, Taylor reflects on being raised as one of the “poster children” for her father’s ministry, the pressure of growing up inside fear-based Christianity, the complicated legacy of satanic panic, and how she now thinks about parenting, faith, community, accountability, and breaking cycles as an adult.

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In this episode of the Preacher Boys Podcast, Travis Chappell (host of the Travis Makes Money Podcast) joins to break down the latest developments in the Liberty Baptist Church financial scandal involving former senior pastor Scott Gray and deceased associate pastor and financial director Tim Forgy.

We cover the leaked audio recordings from the March 22nd, 2026 church meeting led by attorney David Gibbs III of the National Center for Life and Liberty, where the congregation learned the full extent of the church's financial mismanagement — including secret bank accounts, forged board minutes, and unauthorized loans taken out without board knowledge or approval.

The outside CPA firm hired to investigate called it "one of the worst cases" of church financial fraud they had ever seen.

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CHAPTERS:

00:00 Intro

01:59 How this came to light

06:42 Pastor Scott Gray's Public Statement

09:12 Did Scott Gray Lie About Stepping Away from Ministry?

12:03 Church Business Meeting

12:46 How church finances improved after Scott Gray Left

15:16 Maybe "the worst case" the CPA had ever seen

18:21 Scope of the investigation

21:17 Forged documents to obtain loans

27:05 Did Tim Forgy act without Scott Gray's knowledge?

28:27 Maxed out church credit cards

32:56 Staff were asked not to take paychecks

43:12 Double payments made to Pastor Scott Gray

47:13 Excessive and undocumented spending

51:29 Nearly $400k cost to church

57:33 Luxury purchases

01:04:37 Churches need strong systems to prevent this

01:10:24 Poorly planned building projects

01:14:46 Gibbs says Scott Gray has been "combative"

01:16:19 Executive Summary

01:18:32 Civil/Criminal Charges aren't being pursued

01:22:43 LBC's financial strategy moving forward

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https://www.kltv.com/story/1676756/former-christian-school-principal-jailed/

https://www.mrt.com/news/article/Principal-accused-of-molesting-students-sentenced-7621696.php

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-texas-baptist-crucible/id1821356937

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In this episode, I look back at a Baptist abuse scandal that made headlines in the early 00’s.

Russel Hirner was the principal of a school affiliated with Longview Baptist Temple (now named Emmanuel Baptist Church) in Longview, Texas. He is currently serving time in prison for sexual abuse of minors.

His son, Joshua Hirner, sat down with me to talk about the environment at Longview, his dad’s double life, and the facts he slowly pieced together while his dad was behind bars.

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Melissa Duge Spiers is an award-winning essayist, screenwriter, and advocate for topics of religious and narcissistic abuse, utilizing her online platforms (TikTok and Instagram: “The Glory Whole”). Her memoir Holy Disobedience won the 2021 Book Pipeline Unpublished Nonfiction Manuscript prize, with excerpts featured in The Huffington Post. Melissa’s writing appears in magazines nationwide, and she’s a contributor to Take the Fruit: An Anthology of Religious Trauma.

Also a runner, cheese lover, and life-long vintage collector, Melissa holds a B.A. in English Literature from Barnard College at Columbia University and is based in California.

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About Holy Disobedience:

“Spiers’s writing is propulsive and intelligent.” —Tia Levings, author of the New York Times bestselling A Well-Trained Wife

Holy Disobedience is a gripping, unflinching story by Melissa Duge Spiers about growing up in the shadow of control, silence, and secrets within the strict, fundamentalist Seventh-day Adventist Church. When Melissa learns that her father, a respected pastor, was a serial child predator shielded by the church, her world implodes. But this revelation is only the beginning.

From being beaten for resisting a childhood home perm to seducing a forbidden public-school athlete to reclaim her autonomy, Melissa’s early years were shaped by repression, shame, and indoctrination. Her escape from high-control religion launched her into a life of risk: Wall Street jobs, New York nightclubs, Hollywood hookups, and a series of abusive relationships. And yet, in these extremes, she was searching. Through self-reflection and finding her voice, and through an unexpected friendship with her father's first victim, Melissa slowly reconstructs the self she was never allowed to know.

Holy Disobedience is not just a survivor’s tale. It’s a story of fierce honesty, radical freedom, and the beautiful mess of becoming whole.

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Joseph Garrett Duggar, 31, former star of TLC’s 19 Kids and Counting and Counting On, faces felony charges of lewd and lascivious behavior involving a child under 12, according to the Bay County Sheriff’s Office.1

The arrest, made on March 18, 2026, marks yet another scandal for the Duggar family, whose reality TV fame crumbled amid repeated sexual misconduct allegations involving the oldest brother, Josh Duggar.

Josh was imprisoned in 2022 for possessing child sexual abuse material.

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Book Description for I Belong To Me: What does it mean to heal from trauma caused by the people, beliefs, and practices of your faith? And to rebuild a sense of self, when high-control religion said you shouldn’t have one?

Indoctrinated from early childhood to obey, conform, and want what others wanted for her, Tia Levings learned love and acceptance meant being someone other than herself.

After years of abuse in a violent marriage and high-control religion, Tia Levings escaped with her children (a story told in her memoir, A Well-Trained Wife) and thought the hardest was behind her.

But leaving was just the beginning.

With an audacious persistence to reclaim her life, Tia set off on a 15-year quest to psychological peace. The result is an emotionally regulated, actualized, self-aware woman who is able to tell her harrowing story without retraumatizing herself —a woman who can reach back to help others claim what’s theirs. If trauma took your past, it shouldn't get your present and future too.

Through a series of personal stories, therapeutic stages, and resources, Tia Levings guides readers through the journey that helped her leave abuse, rediscover selfhood, and heal her mind, soul, and body after religious trauma —so that you can too.

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