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Kole, Ben, Jala, and David talk about Sniper Elite Zombie Army Trilogy, Valve's Index, and we ask you about games and pets.

• Jala: The Company. Zero Time Dilemma.

• Ben: Oxenfree.

• David: Sniper Elite Zombie Army Trilogy. Assassin's Creed Odyssey.

• Kole: Satisfactory. Killer7.

• What video game character would your pet be?

• There's a Pokemon region in your brain.

• Assassin's Creed: Unity's Notre Dame will be partially used to rebuild the real cathedral.

• The Division 2's starting equipment descriptions are based on

• The Index is Valve's new VR system.

Triangle Man hates Particle Man.

We traveled to the Midwest Gaming Classic once again, this time to talk about what we're broadly calling "creative games". The headliner is Mario Paint, but the idea of games that let you either make games, or make art, goes way back. So we talk about the history, talk about how this articulates, and try to answer the question: Why is using games to make art so fun?

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No, you misheard me. Not an angel dog, and ANGLE dog.

You gotta be fucking kidding me.

Is it possible for a product title to have hubris?