Listen to FFRF attorney Andrew Seidel teach a lesson to White-House bible-thumpers on Fox & Friends. After Annie Laurie and Dan discuss FFRF’s statement about the racist tragedy at Charlottesville, Va., we hear the “heathen gospel” song “You Can’t Have it Both Ways” by the Tasmanian group Mama K and the Big Love. Then we talk with Athena Salman, one of the nation’s few openly “out” atheist legislators, about the secular invocation she delivered before the Arizona House of Representatives. Photo by Morgan Glassco.