In this episode Garth and Jane Halonen (University of West Florida) interview Dan Willingham from the University of Virginia in Charlottesville, VA as part of the 2023 East Coast Tour. They begin with a discussion of Dan's new book, Outsmarting Your Brain. When they trace back his interest in the topic, it may have emerged from high school student studies about self-regulation regarding emotion and study skills. Interestingly, Dan 'publishes' this book in reverse order -- he writes the book first, then writes the prospectus, then goes looking for the publisher. He completes his undergraduate education at Duke and his graduate education at Harvard but does a brief stint in between in a congressional office in Washington, D.C. This trio covers so much ground during this conversation, including myth-busting a certain topic, the courses Dan teaches at UVA, what his parents studied in graduate school, thoughts on teaching evaluation, the hidden curriculum, and more.