Beau Martonik sits down with Lucas Benoit, a bear houndsman and guide out of central New Hampshire, with Johnny Stewart in the co-host chair. Recorded live at Huntstock.

Lucas got into hounds around fourteen with two accident-litter beagles, bought his first two finished bear dogs off a guy who was quitting, treed about sixteen bears that first season, and has since had a year of just over a hundred. Ask him which he’d rather do and he says deer hunting, a hundred percent.

He has killed mature bucks on September 21st in back to back years. Johnny spends most of the episode refusing to let him call it luck.

The argument underneath it is worth the listen. The first week of the season is the best week of the year to kill a mature buck, because if you can find what they’re feeding on, they aren’t far from it. December gets almost that good, and he’ll tell you he still struggles then. The reason most people never cash that first week is that they go scout it the week before and blow the place out. Lucas does not pre-scout. He finds sign in real time and sets up on it the same day.

Then it gets specific. Ten white oaks on a hilltop spine, three or four of them producing, one or two acorns under each, and bucks routing through to check every one. How to look up into an oak and read whether it has produced in the last couple years. The stand he hung over a pattern he called a slam dunk, then left and came back the wrong morning. Blowing a buck off a hill on opening day, staying out five or six days, then parking a mile away and climbing a steep hemlock face because it was the only way the wind worked. And a 170 inch buck that stood up at fifty yards, crossed a clear cut, looked at six dogs and three men for five minutes, and bedded back down.

In this episode:

Beagles to bear dogs, and why hounds are the honest way to manage a bear population

Why running dogs is the best deer scouting he does all year

The rub line he found on a bear chase, and the buck that walked it in daylight

A 170 inch buck that bedded back down in front of six dogs

Why the first week of season is his best week of the year

Why he doesn’t scout the week before opening day

The slam dunk stand he hung and then didn’t sit

Same spot, same date, years apart

Reading which oaks are producing before you ever look at the ground

A September buck killed in the morning, on a spot he’d already blown out

How long to stay out of a spot once you’ve bumped a buck

Five bucks on the last day of the season, and whether that’s luck

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Beau Martonik sits back down with Lee Ellis of Seek One for the second half of their conversation, which is one long story. Lee saw a buck with heavy brow tines one time in the summer, across a rolling bean field, and then didn’t lay eyes on him again until the first week of November. He spent most of the season putting time into a different deer entirely.

Then the season ended in a blizzard. Lee walks through almost hitting that buck with his truck five days before he killed him, watching him feed in a cut cornfield for an hour and a half in cold that left his fingertips sensitive for weeks afterward, and asking a neighbor for access permission rather than hunting permission so he could keep a tree line between himself and an island of timber full of eyes. He gets into the tree he wanted, the tree he settled for, and why the second one is the only reason the hunt happened.

Also covered: the does blowing and then coming back, a lung liver hit that looked perfect on camera, backing out for a sleepless night, dragging the deer out a mile on a sled at negative 18 with a frozen beard, and the deer’s other close calls.

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Beau Martonik sits down with Jameson Curtis and Kelly McGraw of Wild at Heart Outdoors, the two guys behind Pursuing the Allegheny. It’s their first time on the show in eight years.

They walked away from making hunting films, and Jameson walked away from hunting almost entirely for a couple of years. He says getting off social media was the reset button, that seeing 15 guys out of thousands post big bucks had him convinced everybody was killing except him. Kelly puts it more simply: when you drop the ego, you think more freely.

What came out the other side is two guys who hunt less and capitalize more. Kelly has been on four mule deer hunts without the big one he’s after, and instead of counting them as four failures he counts them as 28 total days of learning. Jameson laid in the weeds for six hours waiting on bedded bucks rather than push a stalk he knew wouldn’t work. They both stopped hunting individual buck beds off theory and moved to hunting whatever sign is hot that week.

The tactical run in the middle is worth the listen on its own. The one hidden corner of a cut cornfield that the biggest bucks hit in daylight within a couple days of the combine leaving, every year, regardless of the calendar. Why bucks buffer off a field edge and sprint 60 yards before they feed, and the young oak Kelly had planted at 23 yards to fix it. What a 2 a.m. scrape picture usually means about the next afternoon. Why Kelly would rather bump a buck out of his bed than stay a step behind him. And the only weather trigger either of them will get out of bed for.

In this episode:

Why they stepped away from hunting, and what getting off social media did for it

Pursuing the Allegheny, eleven years later

What changed out West in twelve years, and the advice from Jared Lyle that stuck

Kelly’s mule deer math: 28 days, not four failures

The lunch break set that killed a buck that same evening

What a 2 a.m. scrape picture usually means about tomorrow afternoon

The corner of the cut corn the biggest bucks hit in daylight every year

Target panic, and a raghorn at 20 yards in Wyoming

Where buck bedding stopped working for them, and hunting hot sign instead

Bumping deer out of bed and hunting them anyway

The only weather trigger either of them will get out of bed for

The transplanted scrape tree, and why bucks buffer off a field edge

Managing a farm after years on public

Hunting for yourself instead of for the internet

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Beau Martonik sits back down with Dr. Karl Miller for the second half of their conversation, and this half is entirely about what a deer sees. Karl was part of the original work that got inside a whitetail’s eye to determine whether deer perceive color at all, and he later worked with Sitka on a camo pattern developed around deer vision rather than human vision.

He starts with the hardware. A deer’s pupil opens about three times wider than ours, which alone is roughly nine times the light-gathering ability, and a reflective layer behind the retina called the tapetum bounces that light back across the rods and cones a second time to roughly double it again. The pupil is a horizontal slit rather than a circle, and it rotates to stay level even when the deer drops its head to feed, so a deer eating acorns is still watching the horizon. They see roughly 310 degrees, whereas we see 120.

Then the tradeoff. Deer have no fovea centralis, they can’t accommodate for distance, and their visual acuity at a stationary object comes in somewhere around 20/40 to 20/60. Karl’s line is that they’d almost need corrective lenses to drive. What they do have is motion. Their eyes stay still and let the image travel across the retina engaging new cones, and they process that visual information roughly four to five times faster than a human does, which Karl suggests means your movement looks to them something like slow motion. That leads into a long back and forth on jumping the string, whether a deer is reacting to the sound at all, and whether it might be seeing the bow flex or even the arrow itself. Beau brings his axis deer footage from Hawaii into it, where the deer were on the ground before the arrow arrived at 25 yards.

The back half is camo, and it’s the most useful stretch of either episode. Karl lays out the two jobs camo has to do, explains why pattern detail matters far less than most hunters think and why outline and spectral match matter far more, and gets into whiteners and brighteners in fabrics and detergents that take ultraviolet light and re-radiate it into exactly the part of the spectrum a deer sees 20 times better than we do. He explains why he stopped wearing blue jeans in the woods, why a whitetail’s tail is white in the first place, why old army camo is actually good camo, and why a shiny fabric can beat you even when the color is right. He also walks through how Sitka’s Cover pattern was developed and what it was actually designed to solve.

He closes with what he calls the take home: hunt the deer’s brain first. There are only three questions in a deer’s head, and everything it does traces back to one of them.

Part one of this conversation is episode 506.

Topics:

00:00:00 — Part two intro

00:07:16 — A deer's eye is built for two jobs, and neither one is looking at you

00:11:32 — Pupil size, and nine times your light gathering ability

00:13:31 — Their eyes rotate to stay level when their head goes down

00:14:23 — The tapetum, and 18 times the light

00:21:21 — Blue cones across the whole retina, and 310 degrees of vision

00:24:49 — 20/40 to 20/60: they'd need corrective lenses to drive

00:27:39 — Flicker fusion, and why your movement looks like slow motion to them

00:28:40 — Jumping the string: the sound, the arrow, or the bow

00:34:29 — Drawing on a quartering deer, and why they don't look up

00:37:20 — What camo has to do, and what it doesn't

00:40:39 — Whiteners, brighteners, and camo that glows

00:42:53 — How Cover got built around deer eyes instead of ours

00:50:08 — Fabric shine, old army camo, and plastic blaze orange

00:54:03 — Hunt the deer's brain first

Dr. Karl Miller’s published research: Google Scholar, search “Karl Miller deer UGA”

Part one of this conversation is Ep. 506

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Beau Martonik sits down with Dr. Karl Miller of the University of Georgia, where he spent 40 years leading deer research and mentoring close to 100 graduate students. Karl grew up hunting the Pennsylvania big woods before he went south for his PhD, and much of what hunters take for granted about rubs and scrapes came out of his lab.

The core of this conversation is signpost communication. Karl walks through why bucks make rubs in the first place, and what one of his students found when he ran a chemical analysis on forehead gland secretions: 67 different compounds, and not one of them in higher concentration in dominant bucks than in subordinate ones. No dominance signal at all. What varies is the mix, deer to deer, which means every buck is leaving something closer to a name than a rank. He also explains why the loser of a sparring match will walk up and lick the winner’s forehead.

Then he gets into scrapes, and the finding he clearly loves most. Scraping activity peaks about two weeks before peak breeding in almost every study ever run on it. Karl’s hypothesis is that this isn’t coincidence or anticipation. It’s that buck urine deposited in scrapes may be acting as a priming hormone on the does, pulling their cycles into synchrony, and the two-week lag matches the length of a doe’s follicular wave. He and a graduate student demonstrated the same mechanism in Eld’s deer using a control group and a group exposed to male urine, and the treated group entered estrus together with enhanced hormone profiles. Then he flips it and explains flehmen, the vomeronasal organ, and how a buck taking doe urine into his mouth routes it past the smelling part of his brain entirely and straight to the part that runs his reproductive physiology. Both sides priming each other.

Also covered: 3,600 rubs per square mile on an unhunted Georgia herd, roughly six per acre; the interdigital gland and the 11 compounds that actually do track with maturity; why a tarsal gland’s smell comes from bacteria and not from the gland; the staph and listeria living on it; the castrated buck that ran an entire rut in two weeks on a testosterone dose they overshot; young bucks making 15 percent as many scrapes as mature bucks; and a stretch where he and Beau land in different places on whether there’s any point in doctoring a scrape.

This is part one of two. Part two is deer vision and camo, and it’s out Tuesday, September 1st.

Topics:

00:00:00 — Intro

00:19:25 — What everybody had wrong about rubs in the seventies

00:25:04 — 67 compounds, and why a rub isn't a dominance display

00:26:09 — Why the loser of a sparring match licks the winner's forehead

00:38:32 — 3,600 rubs per square mile, and how many one buck makes in a year

00:49:08 — The three things a buck does at a scrape

00:52:56 — Why a tarsal gland actually stinks

01:01:45 — 39 bucks on one scrape, and 85 percent of visits after dark

01:04:30 — Scrapes peak two weeks before the rut

01:06:24 — Priming hormones, and synchronized estrus

01:10:09 — Flehmen, and the does priming the bucks right back

01:21:59 — Adding scent to a scrape, and whether it does anything

01:35:00 — What a broken age structure does to the rut you're hunting

Dr. Karl Miller’s published research: Google Scholar, search “Karl Miller deer UGA”

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Beau Martonik sits down with Lee Ellis of Seek One, who has been at this since 2015 and says roughly 90 percent of the deer on his wall are deer he had more than a year of history with before he killed them. Lee is upfront that it’s very rare for him to kill a deer he hasn’t been following, and this conversation is mostly about what that actually costs.

They get into the buck he called Derp, four years of waking up every day thinking about that deer, and the night after he finally killed him when it hit him hard enough that he couldn’t sleep. Lee explains why he thinks a fresh camera picture of a buck working a scrape means you’re already behind him, and how finding one center point in a deer’s rut range beat chasing that deer across seven or eight camera locations. He also talks about a 188 inch public land buck he knew for about four hours and why he says a 140 would have gotten the exact same reaction out of him.

Also covered: taking February through May completely off from deer hunting for the first time in years, patterning Pokémon card restocks with the same brain that patterns deer, what changes when your team grows and other families depend on the season going well, deer that show back up on almost the exact same date year after year, the summer reconnaissance lap he sees in the third week of August, twenty years of door knocking for 95 percent no’s, and why he doesn’t think you call a truly big deer in.

This is part one of two. Part two is one long story, the buck Lee killed in a blizzard at the end of last season, and it lands September 15th, right after Seek One’s film on that deer.

Topics:

00:00:00 — Intro

00:14:16 — The room, and what every mount in it represents

00:18:16 — Obsession, Pokémon, and stepping away from deer hunting

00:31:05 — Burnout, and what changes when people depend on your season

00:40:13 — Branching out, and why a 140 hits the same as a 188

00:48:36 — Derp: four years, and the night it finally hit him

00:57:08 — Why hunting one deer makes you better on every other deer

01:04:01 — Storytelling, the two and a half hour video, and putting the phone down

01:20:41 — Does Lee track any of this, or is it all in his head

01:26:45 — Deer that show up on the same date, and the third week of August lap

01:32:11 — Twenty years of door knocking for 95 percent no's

01:36:24 — Leaving a camera a full year, and the spot in the middle of a rut range

01:44:29 — Cell cameras made a lot of good hunters worse

01:47:56 — Deer personalities, communication, and why you don't call in a big one

01:55:16 — Part two is coming

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Beau Martonik sits down with Adam Foss, the youngest bowhunter to complete the North American sheep slam and a photographer and filmmaker. Adam grew up west of Calgary in an archery only zone, killed his first ram at 18, and says his main focus right now is backpack hunting stone sheep with a bow in northern BC.

Most of this conversation is about the mental side of hard hunts. Adam is upfront that he's never run the numbers on his own sheep success, but figures it might be under five percent, and he thinks the pressure to define a hunt by whether you killed something is something we build in our own heads. He walks through how he keeps himself in a trip on day eight when the pull to go home gets loud, the 20 steps and five breaths method he and his wife used packing a ram uphill through shale, and why he thinks any of this applies just as well to elk hunting, running a marathon, or being around more for your family.

Also covered: the SITKA photo contest where he critiqued Beau's finalist photo back in 2017, a mountain goat he shot at 31 or 32 yards on Kodiak Island in a whiteout with his hood covering one eye, the whitetail does he ground out on pressured southern BC public land on the last day of the season two years running, and Migrate, the travel and bowhunting company he launched with his hunting partner Luke.

Adam hid a code word in this one. First person to comment it wins an arrow case from Migrate. It's near the end, so listen for it.

00:00:00 — Intro

00:04:20 — The SITKA photo contest where Adam tore up Beau's photo

00:10:03 — Subalpine, Barklow, and the early SITKA years

00:12:38 — Youngest bowhunter to take the North American sheep slam

00:14:43 — Growing up in southern Alberta with a bow and a camera

00:27:08 — Frankie, the three hour flight, and the shoot he couldn't say no to

00:35:03 — The hardest anyone has ever worked for a whitetail doe

00:41:24 — Hunting low density sheep country on purpose

00:48:07 — Letters to outfitters and 30 day pack strings

00:50:28 — Jack O'Connor, and looking up from the book to see it

00:53:35 — 16mm sheep footage from the sixties

00:55:51 — What makes sheep hunters this obsessed

01:04:24 — Is grit something you're born with or something you build

01:05:45 — It doesn't have to be sheep hunting

01:07:32 — Beau's first elk hunt and getting humbled by the steepest deepest

01:09:30 — The float plane leaves and you make the next best decision

01:15:21 — Aging a ram, and what the horn rings tell you

01:16:36 — Nobody cares if you kill a ram

01:18:41 — You picked it because it was hard

01:19:17 — Beau's 14 days on an Alaska moose hunt

01:22:52 — Snack times, burpees, and 20 steps at a time

01:32:22 — The Kodiak goat stalk in a whiteout

01:44:01 — Migrate, and the problems nobody was solving

01:48:19 — The unforced error that costs people animals

02:00:11 — Why five arrows beats no arrows

02:03:41 — Where to find Adam and Migrate

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Beau Martonik sits down with Joel Burham of Whitetail Fit, who moved to Iowa, got his residency, turned down an invite to a phenomenal private farm, and hunted public ground and only public ground for the whole season to see what it would teach him.

They get into the full self-filming rig Joel runs out of a saddle, the buck he figured at 160 that he had broadside at 20 yards and lost to the camera, the two public land giants he found that will never show up in a video, and what happened when he came to full draw on a three-and-a-half-year-old and let down. Joel also lays out the only test he uses to decide whether a deer is worth his tag, which has nothing to do with a score.

Also covered: starting from zero with no hunting family, three miles deep on Kansas public on the last day of a 10-day hunt, hiring his brother as a cameraman and then telling him he'd outgrown the job, and why time is the one thing in hunting you can't shortcut.

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00:07:09 — Starting with no hunting family

00:12:04 — First deer off a lawn chair

00:15:22 — Where "Whitetail Fit" came from

00:19:57 — Three miles deep on Kansas public

00:22:16 — How fitness changes your access

00:38:13 — What this job really looks like

00:47:49 — The 160 at 20 yards he passed

00:58:28 — Hiring his brother, then letting go

01:11:16 — Self-filming rig for a saddle

01:16:38 — Bodies, lenses, and low light

01:29:56 — Arm height, ISO, shutter speed

01:39:10 — Iowa public land only

01:46:57 — The bucks that never made the film

01:49:56 — Pressure and older deer

01:54:43 — The 190 and a wind switch

02:01:29 — Full draw, then let down

02:10:00 — What makes you grab your bow

02:19:34 — Where to find Whitetail Fit

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Every time a mature buck shows up on your trail camera, GPS collar research says he's probably been in that area six or seven times. That one stat changes how you think about cameras, bedding, and whether you're actually hunting the right spots.

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Beau Martonik sits down with Gregg Farrell of Tactacam, who's spent almost 15 years in the outdoor industry, a decade of it at First Lite before landing at Tactacam. Gregg walks through why he treats trail camera data almost like a science experiment before he ever locks in on one specific buck, why a big buck photo doesn't always mean a huntable deer, and why a $59 wind sensor might be a smarter buy than another camera. They also cover cold fronts, moon phase, battery life, and what's new in the Reveal 4.0 camera launching next month.

00:00:00 — Intro

00:01:43 — Gregg's Wisconsin whitetail roots and a decade at First Lite

00:06:33 — Breaking into the outdoor industry as a generalist

00:12:37 — Chasing whitetail “Mecca” and going whitetail crazy out west

00:16:59 — Why a trail camera is a tool, not a replacement for woodsmanship

00:20:38 — Data as “365-day hunting” and time-blocking family vs. hunting

00:36:07 — Thinking like a scientist: broad trends before one specific buck

00:49:59 — Cold fronts, pre-rut timing, and late-season food strategy

00:55:01 — Reveal app analytics, moon phase, and the hit list

01:02:29 — Battery life: instant vs. hybrid settings, lithiums vs. packs

01:14:01 — What's new in Reveal 4.0

01:27:47 — The new wind sensor and wrap-up

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