It's been a week since this year's Munich Security Conference began.

Foreign Policy editor in chief Ravi Agrawal was there covering it all, and today we're going to hear his interview with Elbridge Colby, the U.S. undersecretary of defense for policy—essentially the top policymaker in the U.S. Defense Department. The two spoke on the conference's main stage.

Many say it's hard to get a clear take on U.S. President Donald Trump's current foreign policy, but Colby is at the center of it.  Colby was one of the main authors of the Trump administration's National Security Strategy, which he called “a clear and powerful articulation of his common-sense, 'America First,' 'peace through strength' agenda.”

And, as you’ll hear, Colby believes that the United States should be turning its attention toward China, and that means moving a lot of its attention away from Europe.

For FP's coverage of this year's Munich Security Conference, check out:

⁠https://foreignpolicy.com/projects/munich-security-conference/⁠

And for more on the conference, head to: ⁠https://securityconference.org/en/msc-2026/