In a short break from the Wonder series, John Pavlick, Wolfgang Schuster, and Tristan Pendergrass join Jared to report on the Elm Camp 2025 unconference experience in Michigan, USA.

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Music by Jesse Moore.

Recording date: 2025.07.07

Guests

• John Pavlick
• Wolfgang Schuster
• Tristan Pendergrass

Show notes[00:00:14] Sponsored by Logistically[00:00:35] Elm Camp sponsors

• NoRedInk
• Concentric

[00:01:09] Introductions

• Tony Bradley @abradley2 (GitHub)
• Tony Bradley's elm-i18next-gen

[00:06:27] Setting the scene

• elm.camp
• Ronora Lodge & Retreat Center

[00:13:15] Unconference format

• Feedback.one

[00:26:48] Sessions

• Elm Town 81 – Inspired: Bubble Tea with Christian Rocha
• Wolfgang's blog series on Elm virtual DOMs
  • Bring Your Own DOM – Part 1 – Portals
  • Bring Your Own DOM – Part 2 – TUIs
• Wolfgang's elm-ink (GitHub) repo
• elm-tooling/elm-language-server initially by Kolja (@razze)
• Elm - Community
• Elmcraft - Community
• Elm Land
• Lamdera
• Simon Lydell's elm-safe-virtual-dom
• React DOM issue - Dan Abramov's link to Chromium issue & hack

[00:52:27] PicksJohn's picks

• <| ("left pizza")
• << ("left compose")
• John's jmpavlick/q
• Zokka
• Michigan

Wolfgang's picks

• Summer Games Done Quick
• The Last Phi Hunter
• Richard Feldman's course on Frontend Masters Write a Compiler That Understands Types

Tristan's pick

• Vantage

Jared's picks

• Parks (1st edition)
• Elmcraft.org

Justin Lubin sketches his journey from undergrad research at UChicago with Ravi Chugh on output-directed and bidirectional programming environments (Sketch-n-Sketch) to graduate work at UC Berkeley with Sarah E. Chasins, focusing on programming language theory, researching how statically-typed functional programmers write code, and beyond, to helping domain experts.

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Music by Jesse Moore.

Recording date: 2024.12.09

Guest

• Justin Lubin

Show notes[00:00:44] Introducing Justin

• Sketch-n-Sketch
• "How statically-typed functional programmers write code" by Justin Lubin and Sarah E. Chasins

[00:07:07] Elm all the way down[00:08:36] What is Sketch-n-Sketch?

• Hazel

[00:11:03] From Parker Ziegler: Getting started in a large Elm codebase[00:13:01] The  Sketch-n-Sketch cinematic universe

• Maniposynth

[00:22:21] Research on how  statically-typed functional programmers write code

• Elm Town 83 – Wonder: Meeting people where they are with Ryan Haskell

[00:35:11]  From Parker Ziegler: Ergonomics vs. hindrances[00:40:25] Fork of the Elm compiler

• ravichugh/sketch-n-sketch (GitHub)

[00:45:04] Cobbler

• "Equivalence by Canonicalization for Synthesis-Backed Refactoring" by Justin Lubin, Jeremy Ferguson, Kevin Ye, Jacob Yim, and Sarah E. Chasins
• Cobbler (GitHub)

[00:47:36] Justin's current work[00:51:45] PicksJustin's pick

• Design at Work: Cooperative Design of Computer Systems by Joan Greenbaum and Morten Kyng

Jared's pick

• Entangled Life by Merlin Sheldrake

Kicking off the Wonder series, Ryan Haskell shares his approach to teaching Elm, his gap year adventures, and his current work at Brilliant. He gives insights into creating accessible learning materials, building games, and finding inspiration outside the Elm ecosystem.

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Music by Jesse Moore.
Edited by Toni Cañete.

Recording date: 2024.11.27

Guest

• Ryan Haskell

Show notes[00:00:21] Sponsored by Logistically[00:00:43] Introduction

• ryan.town
• Welcome to Elm! YouTube series
• Elm Town 62 – The Map to Elm Land
• Elm Land
• ryan-haskell/date-format

[00:01:34] Gap Year[00:03:31] Building a game in Godot

• Turbo Champ

[00:11:01] Welcome to Elm YouTube Series

• Richard Feldman's "Teaching Elm to Beginners" (elm-conf 2017)

[00:17:06] Teaching style

• "Parentheses are like hugs" - from Section 1.5 Advanced Functions

[00:24:52] From Wolfgang: Finding inspiration

• Inspiration for Vendr's elm-gql from watching Ben Awad's videos

[00:29:07] Remaking Ryan's website[00:32:41] Working at Brilliant

• Brilliant
• Elm Town 57 – Brilliant ways to use Elm with Aaron Strick
• Red Blob Games

[00:39:15] PicksRyan's picks

• Dracula by Bram Stoker
• The Picture of Dorian Gray by Oscar Wilde
• Vite 6.0
• The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (N64)
• Horizon Zero Dawn
• Satisfactory

Jared's picks

• Satisfactory Night Fever by Dan Bull
• Richard Feldman's "Teaching Elm to Beginners" (elm-conf 2017)
• Frontend Masters Elm courses by Richard Feldman
  • Introduction to Elm, v2
  • Advanced Elm
• Elm in Action by Richard Feldman (Manning)
• Welcome to Elm! YouTube series

In the final episode of the Inspired series, Dillon Kearns and Jeroen Engels wax philosophically with Jared about what it means to be inspired by Elm within the context of tools. We chat about feedback, guarantees, and contracts as lenses for building tools.

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Music by Jesse Moore.
Edited by Toni Cañete.

Recording date: 2024.08.29

Guests

• Jeroen Engels
• Dillon Kearns

Show notes[00:00:50] Sponsored by Logistically[00:01:14] Introduction

• Elm Radio
• Elm Town 61 – Turning the pages
• Elm Town 65 – Let's roll with it
• Elm Town 79 – Inspired: Gleam with Hayleigh
• Elm Town 80 – Inspired: Roc with Richard Feldman
• Elm Town 81 – Inspired: Bubble Tea with Christian Rocha

[00:02:20] What does it mean to be inspired by Elm?[00:05:53] Elm philosophy

• Evan's "Elm philosophy" thread
• elm-review
• elm-pages

[00:25:44] Simplicity is not just for beginners[00:32:38] What are tools?[00:33:56] Feedback & guarantees[00:39:26] Tool as contract (not slicing hot dogs nor fingers)[00:45:18] Lobbying for tool as contract

• Hayleigh's elm-web-audio

[00:48:09] Tool as an expression of a point of view

• Dillon's elm-graphql

[00:50:37] Roc

• Roc

[00:53:04] Contracts & purity

• Lamdera
• Matthew Griffith's elm-ui

[01:08:09] What's next for Elm?[01:13:38] PicksJeroen's picks

• Elm Camp
• Save the Earth 🌍
• Elm Radio

Dillon's picks

• Be kind ❤
• elm-pages scripts

Jared's picks

• elm-pages scripts spinners Pages.Script.Spinner
• Alex Korban's Elm Catalog

Christian Rocha shares his experience building the TUI framework Bubble Tea based on The Elm Architecture. We talk about Impostor Syndrome, mentors, and how he incorporates his background in design at Charm.

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Music by Jesse Moore.
Edited by Toni Cañete.

Recording date: 2024.10.10

Guest

• Christian Rocha

Show notes[00:00:23] Sponsored by Logistically[00:00:41] Introducing Christian

• Charm
• Bubble Tea
• Elm Town 79 – Inspired: Gleam with Hayleigh
• Elm Town 80 – Inspired: Roc with Richard Feldman
• learning elm, so I don't need to use javascript by bashbunni

[00:02:12] Origin story[00:08:17] Mentor John Weir[00:10:58] Taking The Elm Architecture to the command line[00:13:51] John Weir's question[00:15:48] Bubble Tea related tools

• Glow
• Bubbles
• Lip Gloss
• Gum
• Soft Serve
• Glamour

[00:20:23] Background in design/branding[00:23:35] What is VHS?

• VHS
• asciinema

[00:26:08] How has the architecture of Bubble Tea held up?[00:27:35] What are you excited about these days?

• Mitchell Hashimoto's Ghostty
• Roc

[00:32:44] PicksChristian's picks

• Go Mecha Ball
• "The Great"
• Tampopo
• Brompton

Jared's picks

• Teardown
• Dan Bull
• Glass Animals
• Bicycle Diaries by David Byrne

Elm pioneer Richard Feldman returns to explain why he made Roc, a direct descendant of Elm. He notes a distinct trade-off of choosing not to have persistent data structures. Later, he shares how his experience teaching Elm informed Roc's design. We even learn about the power of platforms.

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Music by Jesse Moore.

Recording date: 2024.05.23

Guest

• Richard Feldman

Show notes[00:00:20] Non-introduction

• Roc
• Software Unscripted
• "Making Impossible States Impossible"
• "Scaling Elm Apps"
• Elm in Action
• Elm courses on Frontend Masters

[00:01:47] Motivations to make Roc[00:04:53] Back to the beginnings in 2018[00:15:25] How Roc compares to Elm

• Aaron VonderHaar's elm-format
• Elm Style Guide
• "Bret Victor style reactive debugging" by Laszlo Pandy at Elm Workshop 2013 (YouTube)
• "Functional Semantics in Imperative Clothing"

[00:25:18] Minimizing the erosion of simplicity (governance models)

• "BDFN" on roc-lang.org
• Episode "Programming and Industrial Design with Greg Wilson" of Software Unscripted

[00:31:36] How teaching Elm informed Roc's design[00:40:34] Design process

• Episode "The Roc Programming Language with Richard Feldman" of Software Unscripted

[00:45:04] Working at Zed Industries

• Zed

[00:50:28] Platforms[00:58:03] PicksRichard's picks

• Performance-Aware Programming Series by Casey Muratori
• Software You Can Love (SYCL) Milan 2024 playlist (YouTube)
• "Hybrid-Level Programming" by Richard Feldman at SYCL Milan 2024 (YouTube)
• Reliqa

Jared's picks

• Umphrey's McGee
• Bret Victor

Hayleigh talks about how Elm has inspired her work, from tools built in Elm such as elm-web-audio and the Ren language compiler, to contributing to the Gleam language and making the Lustre web framework.

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Music by Jesse Moore.

Recording date: 2024.04.10

Guest

• Hayleigh

Show notes[00:00:50] Sponsored by Logistically[00:01:19] Introducing Hayleigh

• Ren
• ren/compiler
• elm-web-audio
• Elm Camp
• Gleam
• Lustre

[00:06:53] Discovering Elm

• Elm Slack

[00:09:17] Limits that led to a unique audio Elm Architecture[00:13:11] Pure interest-fueled motivation to learn functional lingo

• nLab

[00:16:45] Ren

• ren/compiler

[00:21:27] Gleam

• elm-pages scripts
• BEAM Radio - EPISODE 72: GLEAM'S CORE TEAM IN THE HOUSE!

[00:29:52] Lustre

• Gren
• Lamdera

[00:37:47] Developer Relations[00:42:50] PicksHayleigh's pick

• "Gleam: Past, present, future!" at FOSDEM '24

Jared's picks

• Custom elements
• Kagi
• The Meaning of Culture by John Cowper Powys

Katja Mordaunt & Wolfgang Schuster return to share their experiences at Elm Camp 2024.

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Music by Jesse Moore.

Recording date: 2024.06.26

Guests

• Katja Mordaunt
• Wolfgang Schuster

Show notes[00:00:34] Setting the scene

• Elm Camp
• Elm Camp 2024: Reflections by Wolfgang Schuster

[00:08:03] Sessions[00:13:36] Talking outside the box

• Notes from Elm Camp 2024 by Martin Janiczek

[00:17:21] Themes

• elm-pages scripts
• elm-review
• Gren
• Gleam
• Lamdera

[00:22:34] Card decks[00:24:10] Community[00:25:09] Education

• Elm Land

[00:28:01] Closing thoughts

• Send venue ideas to [email protected].

From translating imperative physics into Elm and building 3D interactive tools at work to adding Elm support to Zed and animating the Elm Town logo, Andrey Kuzmin never fails to break your brain.

Thanks to our sponsor, Logistically. Email: [email protected].

Music by Jesse Moore.

Recording date: 2024.05.16

Guest

• Andrey Kuzmin

Show notes[00:00:19] Sponsored by Logistically[00:00:42] Introducing Andrey

• Mogee
• "Mogee or how we fit Elm in a 64×64 grid" by Andrey Kuzmin at elm-conf 2017
• w0rm/elm-pool
• elm-explorations/webgl
• w0rm/elm-physics
• w0rm/elm-obj-file
• elm-language-server
• Zed

[00:02:04] Favorite concert

• Deerhoof - Sit Down, Let Me Tell You a Story. (YouTube)

[00:05:41] Getting started in programming[00:08:53] Discovering Elm through Dan Abramov

• Flatris

[00:15:04] Applying knowledge from Elm in React[00:22:03] Elm at work (Arrival)

• Transparency support in Ian Mackenzie's elm-3d-scene

[00:25:31] Consuming-facing work and opening up to other languages

• elm-tooling/tree-sitter-elm

[00:34:09] Interpreting code via the brain

• Andrey on Twitter
• w0rm/elm-physics
• embedded-mogeefont Rust crate
• Cubik
• Physically simulated dice roller!

[00:39:48] Designing APIs

• API design sessions with Evan on webgl.
  • Start at 1:02:46 for some general docs tips.
• w0rm/elm-obj-file

[00:48:48] Presenting at an Elm Japan meetup in Japanese[00:52:11] Elm Town 3D logo animation

• https://elm.town
• Matthew Griffith's elm-animator
• Matthew Griffith's elm-ui
• Dillon Kearns' elm-pages
• Ian Mackenzie's elm-3d-scene and related packages
• Maggie Appleton

[00:56:48] PicksAndrey's picks

• Model things in Elm
• Make games in Elm

Jared's pick

• Zed

Andrew Lenards illuminates the liminal spaces of his mind, from lo-fi, DIY, punk rock, meditation, & coaching to Joël's Triangle & The Mental Side of Programming.

Thanks to our sponsor, Logistically. Email: [email protected].

Music by Jesse Moore.

Recording date: 2024.03.05.

Guest

• Andrew Lenards

Show notes[00:00:25] Sponsored by Logistically[00:00:58] Introducing Andrew

• "Is This the Way?" with Aaron Michael Marsh and Andy Lenards
• The Do Nothing Projectwith Jeff Warren
• "The Mental Side of Programming"

[00:01:32] Wrestling announcer Elm Town intro[00:04:44] From Julian Pistorius: Side roads with crucial impact

• Elm Town 66 – A gateway to scientific research with Chris Martin

[00:11:30] Helping others see between the paving stones

• "Periodic Face-to-Face" by Martin Fowler
• xkcd

[00:25:02] Discovering Elm, or "I don't want to know that there's a better way to do what I'm doing right now"

• "Beating the averages" by Paul Graham

[00:35:05] Elm & mental health

• "Make Reliable Web Apps Without JS Fatigue" by Jared M. Smith
• Elm Slack
• "Idée Fixe" by David Nolen at GOTO 2017
• Against the Rules Season 2 hosted by Michael Lewis

[00:55:17] Joël's Triangle

• Andrew's elm-arboriculture-zine (print it yourself!)
• Joël Quenneville on Thoughtbot

[00:58:57] PicksAndrew's picks

• Against the Rules Season 2 hosted by Michael Lewis
• Create Content with ChatGPT and AI 2024 course by Kirby Ferguson
• Empathy-Driven Development
• Empathy in Tech
• "Type System Mythbusting with Alexis King" on Software Unscripted with Richard Feldman

Jared's picks

• Elm Town 57 – Brilliant ways to use Elm with Aaron Strick
• Just Let Go (YouTube) by Sturgill Simpson
• Zen Computer by Philip Toshio Sudo
• Pleasures of Small Motions: Mastering the Mental Game of Pocket Billiards by Bob Fancher
• Elm 3D Pool Game Collaboration