By Chavonne A. McClay, MSW, LCSW (she/her) and Jenn Jackson, MPH, RDN, LD (she/her)
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Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 7: Deep Dive with Lindley Ashline
Jenn (she/they), Chavonne (she/her), and Mayaneli (she/her) interviewed Lindley Ashline (she/her) for a deep dive about embodiment as partnership with our bodies.
Content Warning: Discussion of ableism, Discussion of medical fatphobia
Trigger Warnings:
1:14:57: Jenn mentions a fatness category that might be triggering
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-7-lindley-ashline/#captions
A few highlights:
3:49: Lindley shares the pond as a metaphor for embodiment
41:47: Lindley discusses the Body Liberation Blanket Fort
1:12:03: Lindley shares how disability as a framework feels related to embodiment conversations
Links from this episode:
ADHD
Autism
Corrisa Enneking
Diabetes
Dr. Shai-Akil McLean
Fat Woman with Surgery Scar Stock Photo
Fatness Spectrum
FLARE Project
Imani Barbarin
Intersectionality: Key Concepts
J Aprileo
Kimberle Crenshaw
The Matrix of Domination
Models of Disability
Neurodivergence
Nicola Haggett
Nicola Haggett’s Embodiment Journey
Shilo George
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 6: Deep Dive with Lindley Ashline
Jenn (she/they), Chavonne (she/her), and Mayaneli (she/her) interviewed Lindley Ashline (she/her) for a deep dive about embodiment as partnership with our bodies.
Content Warning: Discussion of ableism, Discussion of medical fatphobia
Trigger Warnings:
44:33: Lindley mentions death threats
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-6-lindley-ashline/#captions
A few highlights:
5:43: Lindley shares embodiment as conversation and/or partnership with our bodies
35:45: Lindley discusses “capitalist mythology” in the average body positivity/liberation conversation
1:45:13: Lindley shares the idea of embodiment as a practice of depth and clarity
Links from this episode:
ADHD
Alan Levinovitz
Autism
Blue Sky
Fearing the Black Body
Harm Reduction
Jes Baker
KC Davis
Neathery Falchuk
Neurodivergence
Roxane Gay
The 11 Reasons Why People Hate Fat People
White Supremacy Culture
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 5: Deep Dive with Michelle Phillips
Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) interviewed Michelle Phillips (they/them/we) for a deep dive about attending and attuning to the body, unconscious contracts with the systems that affect us, and loving accountability.
Content Warning: discussion of intentional weight loss, discussion of multiple genocides taking place at this time
Trigger Warnings: None in this episode
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-5-michelle-phillips/#captions
A few highlights:
8:53: Michelle discusses the simplicities and complexities (equally) of embodiment as we go about our daily lives
Links from this episode:
Neurodivergence
Polyvagal Theory
Vagus Nerve
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 4: Imani Barbarin
Chavonne (she/her), Jenn (she/they), and Maya (she/her) interviewed Imani (she/her/hers) about her embodiment journey.
Imani Barbarin is a disability rights and inclusion activist and speaker who uses her voice and social media platforms to create conversations engaging the disability community. Born with cerebral palsy, Imani often writes and uses her platform to speak from the perspective of a disabled Black woman. In the last few years she has created over a dozen trending hashtags that allow disabled folk the opportunity to have their perspectives heard while forcing the world to take notice. #PatientsAreNotFaking, #ThingsDisabledPeopleKnow, #AbledsAreWeird and others each provide a window into disabled life while forming community. Imani is from the Philadelphia area and holds a Masters in Global Communications from the American University of Paris, her published works include those in Forbes, Rewire, Healthline, BitchMedia and more. She runs the blog CrutchesAndSpice.com and a podcast of the same name.
Content Warning: discussion of genocide, discussion of ableism privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of medicalized racism, discussion of racism, discussion of fatphobia in the career space, discussion of mental health, discussion of chronic medical issues, mentions of ableism, mentions of suicide, discussion of ageism
Trigger Warnings:
58:30: Imani discusses weight loss surgery and eating disorders
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-4-imani-barbarin/#captions
A few highlights:
4:47: Imani shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey
19:40: Imani discusses how the pandemic has affected her embodiment practices
47:22: Imani shares her understanding of “the rest of us” and how she is a part of that, as well as her privileges
59:33: Imani discusses her work with social media misinformation/disinformation and disability advocacy
1:14:11: Imanin shares how her embodiment around phobias and -isms
1:16:51: Imani discusses how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation
1:24:24: Imani shares where to be found and what’s next for her
Links from this episode:
Ableism
American with Disabilities Act of 1990 (ADA)
Autism
Harriet Tubman Collective
Iron Lung
Movement for Black Lives
Multiple Models of Disability
PA Act 77
The Protest Psychosis
Runaway Slave Syndrome
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 3: Niyera Hewlett
Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Niyera (they/them) about their embodiment journey.
Niyera (they/them) is a Licensed Professional Clinical Counselor in New Mexico and North Carolina who supervises counseling students, social work students, and licensed associates. They founded a queer and neurodivergent affirming mental health agency in Albuquerque that can be found at: youmeandtherapy.com. They work from an anti-oppressive, relational lens that helps inform how they approach supervision and therapy. They specialize in working with marginalized communities, complex trauma, dissociation, and much more. They are a trans non-binary neurodivergent human of Middle Eastern descent, raised by an immigrant mother. They reside in New Mexico with their spouse, two children, and three cats. In their spare time, they spend a lot of time imagining and writing fantasy stories as a special interest.
Content Warning: discussion of genocide, discussion of ableism privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of racism, discussion of fatphobia in the career space, discussion of mental health, discussion of chronic medical issues
Trigger Warnings:
53:24: Chavonne uses “crazy” in a way that is ableist.
The captions for this episode can be found at
A few highlights:
3:54: Niyera shares their understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey
9:28: Niyera discusses how the pandemic affected their embodiment practices
28:14: Niyera shares their understanding of “the rest of us” and how they are a part of that, as well as their privileges
31:42: Niyera discusses how the word “Rest” right in the middle of the podcast name feels, occurs, and shows up for her
42:55: Niyera shares how their own work and supporting clients has changed and challenged their relationship with their own embodiment
1:00:47: Niyera discusses their experience learning and unlearning while calling out what is oppressive in our systems
1:13:50: Niyera discusses how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation
1:21:29: Niyera shares where to be found and what’s next for them
Links from this episode:
Ableism
Ample and Rooted
Autism
Binocular Vision Dysfunction
Depersonalization
Derealization
Neurodivergence
Persistent Drive for Autonomy (PDA)
Reflective Supervision
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 2: Deep Dive with Tiana Dodson
Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) interviewed Tiana Dodson (she/her) for a deep dive about embodiment and children.
Content Warning: discussion of sexuality
Trigger Warnings:
1:45:30: Tiana uses “insane” in a way that is ableist
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-2-tiana-dodson/#captions
A few highlights:
7:06: Tiana discusses how children are embodiment teachers
59:32: Tiana shares how capacity and capability are distinct parts of embodiment
1:19:36: Tiana discusses creating and fostering foster relationships of liberation
1:37:00: Tiana shares what she’s doing next
Links from this episode:
ADHD
Autism
Being You: A First Conversation about Gender
In This Body: Finding Liberation Virtual Conference
Liberation is a Relationship
Love Notes For A New Year
The Nap Ministry
Neurodivergence
Other People Are In The Way of Your Liberation
RAADS-R
Reclaiming Ugly
Rest is Resistance
Sex Positive Families
We Make the Path
Yes: Your Empowered Sexuality
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 1: Season 4 Intro Episode
Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) introduce Season 4!
Content Warning: None in this episode
Trigger Warnings: None in this episode
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-1-season-4-intro/#captions
A few highlights:
2:02: Jenn and Chavonne share their words for 2024
20:27: Chavonne and Jenn discuss exploring disability and neurodiversity in Season 4
32:46: Jenn and Chavonne discuss their commitment to justice and liberation related to the most marginalized humans and bodies in the world
Links from this episode:
How To Keep House While Drowning
Imani Barbarin
Morgan Harper Nichols IG Post
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 13: Wrap Up Episode
Jenn (she/her) and Chavonne (she/her) wrap up Season 3!
Content Warning: None in this episode
Trigger Warnings: None in this episode
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-3/season-3-episode-13-season-3-wrap-up-episode/#captions
A few highlights:
2:13: Jenn and Chavonne discuss how processing and practicing rest changed and challenged them in 2023
13:14: Chavonne and Jenn discuss capability vs. capacity in their personal and professional lives
23:39: Jenn and Chavonne discuss what they’re looking forward to next year for the podcast
Links from this episode:
Love Jenni K
Mikey Mercedes
Neurodivergence
Whitney Trotter
Whole Self Counseling
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 12: Lisa Daughters and Fawn McCool
Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Lisa Daughters (she/her) and Fawn McCool (she/her) about their embodiment journeys.
Lisa Daughters (she/her) is a HAES-aligned fat-positive, LGBTQIA+ allied, social justice informed Expressive Arts Therapist. She works with fat folx, LGBTQIA+ community, grief/loss, fertility struggles and pregnancy loss, relationship challenges, family dynamics - these are all near and dear to her. She has been serving clients as a professional counselor for 12 years, working with a variety of settings and concerns. She works from a person-centered approach, using humor, mindfulness, and acceptance as tools of healing and transformation. She believes in the need to broaden our view from seeing individual struggles as collective, moving towards solutions that foster interdependence and equity. She approaches counseling as a co-creation, and considers her role to be an insightful companion through the process. She trusts the inherent wholeness of each individual. I have specific training in Expressive Arts Therapy, which utilizes art-making as therapeutic.
Lisa is strongly anti-diet and diet-culture. She is involved in the fat liberation movement. And it's impossible to talk about body politics without talking about racism, misogyny, and ableism. She is anti-capitalist, and anti-racist. She loves animals and spent years before becoming a therapist working with animals. She believes current social and economic structures have stripped our sense of community and our emotional experiences have been villainized and pathologized to the point that mental health is a growing challenge. She thinks it's a disservice to focus only on individual health without also addressing community. She does not believe in the paternalistic dynamic that she has seen in the mental health world, and she thinks to do my work well she has to be continually learning.
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Fawn McCool (she/her pronouns), is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker (LCSW) with a private practice based in Portland, Oregon. Her therapeutic approach is warm, nurturing, collaborative, engaged, and nerdy. She loves brain science so there MIGHT be some mention of neural plasticity or blaming of neural pathways along the way. She will shame the patriarchy, never you.
As an LCSW, she has worked in a variety of settings providing skilled trauma-informed services to families, women and children. She offers clinical therapeutic services in Tigard, OR and enjoys working with a wide variety of issues including but not limited to: trauma, depression, anxiety, OCD, ADHD, perinatal/postpartum mood and anxiety disorders, infant loss, and fertility issues .
She received her Masters of Social Work degree at California State University, Los Angeles in 2006. Her professional credentials include certification in Interpersonal Neurobiology through Portland State University and is Ample & Rooted trained.
Additionally, she has had the honor of presenting at several professional conferences focused on Neonatal Intensive Care Unit experiences, neuroscience & birth trauma, and behavioral health counseling in school based health centers.
She is an anti-racist, LGBTQ+ affirming, and HAES provider.
Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of racism, discussion of fatphobia in the career space, discussion of mental health, discussion of chronic medical issues
40:28-53:29: Chavonne’s audio goes a bit wonky
Trigger Warnings:
34:22: Fawn mentions Noom and Ozempic
49:42: Lisa uses the words “crazy” and “nutty” in a way that is ableist
The captions for this episode can be found at
https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-3/season-3-episode-12-lisa-daughters-and-fawn-mccool/#captions
A few highlights:
7:08: Lisa and Fawn share their understanding of “the rest of us” and how they are a part of that, as well as their privileges. They also discuss how the word “Rest” right in the middle of the podcast name feels, occurs, and shows up for them.
1:01:15: Fawn and Lisa discuss how supporting clients has changed and challenged their own relationships with their embodiment
1:46:47: Lisa and Fawn discuss how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation
1:57:48: Fawn and Lisa share where to be found and what’s next for them
Links from this episode:
Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents
Dr. Dan Siegel
Neurodivergence
Persistent Drive for Autonomy (PDA)
Rejection Sensitivity Dysphoria
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 11: Fawn McCool and Lisa Daughters
Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Fawn McCool (she/her) and Lisa Daughters (she/her) about their embodiment journeys.
Fawn McCool (she/her pronouns), is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker (LCSW) with a private practice based in Portland, Oregon. Her therapeutic approach is warm, nurturing, collaborative, engaged, and nerdy. She loves brain science so there MIGHT be some mention of neural plasticity or blaming of neural pathways along the way. She will shame the patriarchy, never you.
As an LCSW, she has worked in a variety of settings providing skilled trauma-informed services to families, women and children. She offers clinical therapeutic services in Tigard, OR and enjoys working with a wide variety of issues including but not limited to: trauma, depression, anxiety, OCD, ADHD, perinatal/postpartum mood and anxiety disorders, infant loss, and fertility issues.
She received her Masters of Social Work degree at California State University, Los Angeles in 2006. Her professional credentials include certification in Interpersonal Neurobiology through Portland State University and is Ample & Rooted trained.
Additionally, she has had the honor of presenting at several professional conferences focused on Neonatal Intensive Care Unit experiences, neuroscience & birth trauma, and behavioral health counseling in school based health centers.
She is an anti-racist, LGBTQ+ affirming, and HAES provider.
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Lisa Daughters (she/her) is a HAES-aligned fat-positive, LGBTQIA+ allied, social justice informed Expressive Arts Therapist. She works with fat folx, LGBTQIA+ community, grief/loss, fertility struggles and pregnancy loss, relationship challenges, family dynamics - these are all near and dear to her. She has been serving clients as a professional counselor for 12 years, working with a variety of settings and concerns. She works from a person-centered approach, using humor, mindfulness, and acceptance as tools of healing and transformation. She believes in the need to broaden our view from seeing individual struggles as collective, moving towards solutions that foster interdependence and equity. She approaches counseling as a co-creation, and considers her role to be an insightful companion through the process. She trusts the inherent wholeness of each individual. I have specific training in Expressive Arts Therapy, which utilizes art-making as therapeutic.
Lisa is strongly anti-diet and diet-culture. She is involved in the fat liberation movement. And it's impossible to talk about body politics without talking about racism, misogyny, and ableism. She is anti-capitalist, and anti-racist. She loves animals and spent years before becoming a therapist working with animals. She believes current social and economic structures have stripped our sense of community and our emotional experiences have been villainized and pathologized to the point that mental health is a growing challenge. She thinks it's a disservice to focus only on individual health without also addressing community. She does not believe in the paternalistic dynamic that she has seen in the mental health world, and she thinks to do my work well she has to be continually learning.
Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of racism, discussion of fatphobia in the career space, discussion of mental health, discussion of chronic medical issues
Trigger Warnings:
39:23: Lisa discusses getting bariatric surgery
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-3/season-3-episode-11-fawn-mccool-and-lisa-daughters/#captions
A few highlights:
15:05: Fawn and Lisa shares their understanding of embodiment and their own embodiment journeys
1:07:56: Fawn and Lisa discuss how the pandemic has affected their embodiment practices
Links from this episode:
All Cats Are On The Autism Spectrum
All Dogs Have ADHD
Bibliotherapy
Brianne Benness
Depersonalization
Derealization
Dr. Dan Siegel
Executive Functioning
The Family Experience of PDA
Girls on the Run
Kymber Stephenson
Neurodivergence
Persistent Drive for Autonomy (PDA)
Rejection Sensitivity Dysphoria
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
The podcast currently has 43 episodes available.