Chris is joined by Dylan Lees-Jones, European Recruitment Marketing Manager at Wipro, for a conversation that gets right to the heart of one of employer brand's longest-standing frustrations: why does a function with so much proven impact still have to fight so hard for boardroom credibility?
Dylan brings a rare dual perspective - A career that started in consumer and B2B direct marketing before moving into employer brand and he uses it to cut through some of the noise around metrics, measurement, and making the case upwards.
They cover a lot of ground, including:
Why now is genuinely a tough time to ask for budget and why having empathy for that pressure actually makes you a more effective EB practitionerThe preparation problem — why so many teams go live on campaigns without agreeing upfront what success actually looks like, and how to fix itQuality of hire vs vanity metrics — what the board actually cares about, and why chasing volume without defining the right candidate profile creates an attrition cycle nobody wins fromThe lifetime value gap — why employer brand is sitting on one of its most powerful commercial arguments and not yet using it, and what consumer marketing figured out decades ago that EB still hasn't fully appliedThe halo effect in practice — Dylan shares a real example of switching off radio advertising to prove its value, and what that means for how EB teams should think about attributionCollaboration as the unsexy answer — why misalignment between EB, TA, HR, and senior leadership is quietly undermining even the best workThe episode closes on a genuinely exciting idea: that AI could be the thing that finally makes Employer Brand Lifetime Value measurable and what that would mean for how the C-suite views employer brand investment.
If you've ever been in a room trying to explain why your work matters and felt like you were speaking a different language, this one's worth your time.