Anna Wintour stepped down as editor-in-chief of Vogue last week, so we’re rerunning this great episode.

Whether it’s being eroded by fast fashion, climate change, or TikTok microtrends, the empire Wintour has long presided over is in flux. But where will Anna—and fashion—go next? We talk to veteran fashion journalist and Wintour biographer Amy Odell about Anna’s finsta, the time she was considered for an ambassadorship, and what she really thought of The Devil Wears Prada.

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