This edition of Crosstalk highlights the importance of Bible verses such as Colossians 2:8 that says: "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ." As such, this broadcast is a warning about a system called, the Enneagram. Don Veinot is co-founder and president of Midwest Christian Outreach, a national apologetics ministry and mission to new religious movements. Before becoming a Christian, Marcia Montenegro was involved for many years in Eastern spiritual beliefs (Hindu and Buddhist,) New Age, and Occult practices. She came to Christ and is now engaged in her full-time ministry, Christian Answers for the New Age. Together they have co-authored, Richard Rohr and the Enneagram Secret. The Enneagram is a geometric design/model of the psyche consisting of a circle with three shapes inside of it that touch the outer circle at 9 different points. Each of the points represents a different personality type with an emphasis on self. While this symbol has no inherent evil in it, according to Don, the grand masters say it's actually not about what type of person you are, instead it deals with which path you need to be on to get back to God. This concept has been infiltrating segments of the evangelical church. On this edition of Crosstalk, Don and Marcia detail the remaining history/evolution of this symbol, it's connection to a Roman Catholic Franciscan monk named Richard Rohr, and how it went on to become embraced by elements of the evangelical publishing world. This topic is very extensive so as the program continued, Don and Marcia looked at much more.