In this, the third episode of the Legal Tech StartUp Focus podcast, Charlie interviews Gabe Teninbaum. Gabe is a law professor and legal technologist at Suffolk University Law School, where he is also Director of the Institute on Legal Innovation & Technology (LIT), the LIT Concentration (akin to an undergraduate major), and the LIT Certificate (an online program for legal professionals). Gabe also publishes the Lawtomatic newsletter, a weekly compilation of articles about legal tech that Gabe selects for its readership.

Gabe and Charlie cover a lot of ground during the podcast, involving principally the intersection of legal tech and legal education. Listeners will learn from the podcast: (i) how Gabe's recent tweet proposing that law schools partner with legal tech companies "doing cool things" planted the seed for Gabe's discussion with Charlie, (ii) how the introduction of legal tech into the law school curriculum benefits law students by not only teaching them about a particular legal technology's features, but also by having them use that technology in-class and in clinical projects (the students don't just "talk the talk" about what the tech does, but actually "walk the walk" by using the tech to solve legal problems), and (iii) how the legal tech companies themselves benefit from the partnership with law schools (the companies get detailed and meaningful feedback on their tech from student users, hone their product stories as they engage with law students and locate potential champions of their tech upon the students' graduation and entry into not just BigLaw law firms, but also small and medium-size law firm and legal departments where they can immediately influence tech-buying decisions).

Gabe also explains how Suffolk and other law schools can marry their traditional pedagogy of teaching legal doctrine with their newer teaching efforts that are directed to familiarizing students with new legal practice methods that involve technology use and new business models in use at law firms and other alternative legal service companies that are altering how legal services are delivered. From that starting point, Gabe goes on to explain (i) how expert systems technologies can actually enhance the teaching of legal doctrine, (ii) how his students' course work has them diving deeply into artificial intelligence use cases (for example, employing machine learning to build a legal aid tool that helps address immigration and housing issues and that is accessible online) and (iii) why it's become easier in recent years to introduce even cutting-edge technologies like machine learning to law school faculty and the student body for use in the law school's curriculum.