Julie Miecamp opens the episode (00:00) by introducing guest interviewer Katherine Schwartz, Primary Reporter at Octus, who shares why she wanted to sit down with Randy Schwimmer, Vice Chairman and Chief Investment Strategist at Churchill Asset Management LLC. The conversation then transitions into Katherine’s interview with Randy before Julie returns to close the episode.

Katherine and Randy explore the current state of the private credit markets (04:33). What began as media skepticism toward private credit has evolved into a more nuanced discussion about fundamentals and investor education. Randy emphasizes that while headlines focus on concerns, the underlying opportunity set remains constructive, supported by declining rates, resilient credit markets, and increasing private equity activity. They dig into why private credit draws negative media bias and why education is the differentiator for managers in this space.

From there (15:15), the discussion shifts to deal structuring and credit fundamentals. Randy details Churchill’s disciplined approach, noting they review approximately 1,000 deals annually but close only 5%–7% due to restrictive credit filters developed over 20 years of experience. They get into leverage ratios, covenant structures, and why middle market transactions often hold more conservative terms than larger syndicated deals.

The episode’s unofficial sponsor, “The Cov-Light Cycle Tracker,” makes its case (24:25). The tongue-in-cheek concept highlights the migration of covenant-light structures into smaller EBITDA companies before Randy and Katherine pivot to industry consolidation trends, weighing the benefits of scale against the risks of market concentration.

The show closes with rapid-fire questions (40:05), where Randy talks about talent retention and career mentorship. The exchange highlights the value of humanities education in finance and the importance of maintaining genuine human connections in an increasingly data-driven industry.

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Hosted by Julie Miecamp