After years behind the mic, Pam and Iona reflect on how Relationship Dish has evolved from research-heavy conversations to something more lived-in, intuitive, and real. And in this episode, they take that evolution even deeper with a powerful question: Who are you, underneath it all?

Many people come to therapy focused on symptoms like anxiety, depression, and conflict, but beneath those layers lies something quieter and more essential: the true self. Pam and Iona explore how core feelings act as a gateway to that authentic place where your curiosity, joy, and aliveness are.

Pam shares the moments when she feels most like herself—fully present, playful, and free—whether she's with her grandkids or walking through the stillness of her family farm. Iona opens up about how anxiety once felt safer than authenticity in her family system, and how daily practices like gratitude have helped her reconnect with the hopeful, vibrant parts of who she really is.

Together, they unpack the tension between attachment and authenticity—how the need to belong or make a relationship work can sometimes override the need to be real—and what it takes to reclaim your voice, your desires, and your sense of self.

The goal isn't just to feel better; it's to come alive. For Listener Reference: Unlocking Your True Self from Dr. Matthew Jarvinen's EmotionFit YouTube Channel