Scott Jones leads Navitas as Group CEO after more than 20 years working for this private provider in partnerships with public universities. The growth in student numbers for a future workforce, that achieves social inclusion among equity groups, needs responses beyond endless growth of public universities with comprehensive discipline offerings and research. This time of opportunity for small specialist providers, teaching only institutions and new investment in public/private partnerships, is vital if an affordable model of growth is to be achieved. Scott joins Christy Collis President-elect of HERDSA and I for a conversation about sector diversity.