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(1:45) Ministry and personal endeavors

(4:45) Conversion and call to ministry

(8:08) Involvement in music industry

(9:10) Rootedness and being known by faithful men

(14:00) The benefits of music background for shepherding

(15:40) Schooling and seminary training

(16:55) Transitioning to pastoral ministry

(24:02) From music ministry in SoCal to planting in the midwest

(33:00) Have conversations with faithful men about ministry calling

(34:10) Final words