Kelly Matthews of UQ takes control of the mic as a guest host joined by Tim Fawns of Monash and Stephen George-Williams of the University of Sydney. They pose the questions to two giants of Australian student centred thinking who are both teaching focused leaders. Kylie Readman of UTS and Liz Johnson of Deakin have pioneered how to put students first way before it became so fashionable. They share lessons of leadership that are invaluable for those making their way in academic life in this area of great staff opportunity.