On this week's episode, Ben and Phil check in with California chapter leader Nurry Hong to talk about what's happening in his state, including an inspiring story of a disabled hunter who's kicking ass in the field. In the interview portion of the show, Ben chats with his favorite vegan and animal rights believer Dr. Robert C. Jones about whether animal rights ideologies could actually be translated into a model for conservation. You can find Robert's work by clicking here. Enjoy. 

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