Brion and Nick interview former Iowa athletic trainer Phil Johnson. He was a student at Iowa from 1993-1997, where he worked with many different sports including football and men's basketball. After Iowa, he worked at Penn State and the New York Jets. He joined the University of Michigan football program in 2000, where he is currently the Papadopoulos Family Director of Athletic Training.

We discussed the following topics:

* Growing up and playing sports in Akron, Iowa

* Discussion on the current state of high school sports

* Why he switched from Iowa State to Iowa for Pre-Med

* His memories of the 1993 Iowa basketball game against the Fab Five

* Brief memories of Veisha at Iowa State

* The observation program for athletic trainers

* How times have changed over the years for treating injuries (high ankle sprains, concussions, broken legs, surgeries)

* How injuries differ as athletes go through college

* His experiences working with smaller sports

* His time at Penn State and the New York Jets

* When Jumbo Elliott almost got him in trouble, and how he got him to Michigan

* What he learned from John Streif and Ed Crowley

* The mental side of injuries

* Winning a National Championship at Michigan

* Meeting Bo Schembechler for the first time

* The best athletes he has seen

* Typical game day experience for an athletic trainer

* His first season working with Iowa football in 1993

* Stories about managers and trainers getting tackled in Kinnick

* Meeting Magic Johnson in Maui

* Strange injuries and reflections on past Iowa players

* How trainers work together between schools

* Bump Elliott connection to Iowa and Michigan

* The coaching tree of Hayden if you include lower level coaches

* The modern risks of playing football

* Former Iowa players as coaches that he's run into

* NIL and concerns about the future of college football

Gallery and Hurley Unfiltered is hosted by Nick Gallery and Brion Hurley. Nick is a former Iowa punter from 1993-1996, and Brion is a former Iowa kicker and punter from 1993-1996. They interview former Iowa football players, coaches and staff to learn about their experiences and favorite stories.

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