In this profound conversation, William Paul Young—author of The Shack—joins Dr. Catherine Toon to explore how God shows up in the very places we often try to escape: our pain, our confusion, and our chaos.

Together, they unpack how transformation isn’t a lightning bolt from heaven, but a sacred, often spiral journey of revisiting wounds with God’s redeeming love. They explore the critical difference between grief and shame, the power of present-moment living, and how we’re invited to participate in—not control—God’s redemptive work in the world.

This episode is a breath of fresh grace for anyone navigating deconstruction, burnout, trauma, or the ache of not knowing what's next. It’s a reminder that you’re not behind, not broken beyond repair, and never alone.

Topics covered include:

* God’s relentless presence in our darkest moments

* Why transformation happens in spirals, not straight lines

* Redeeming grief and silencing shame

* Embracing your humanity as sacred

* Letting go of grand callings and stepping into divine participation

* The difference between knowing about God and knowing Him deeply

Whether you're in the wilderness, at the edge of burnout, or rediscovering faith beyond formulas, this conversation will meet you right where you are—with healing, hope, and holy presence.

For more information about Paul Young: https://wmpaulyoung.com/

Podcast: paulyoungpodcast.com

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