In this episode, Sam interviews co-host Joel Payne. They discuss his journey into songwriting and early forays, his role with Resound Worship, the ethos and approach of the new Songs for Sundays album, the needs of local churches and hopes for the new Song & Hymn Writers Foundation. [The song at the end is 'May the Grace' by Mark Bradford, to be featured on the new 'Songs for Sundays' album this autumn]